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Feylic said:
slowmo said:
I never said that Bluray was slow, please understand I just get tired of reading the same misinformation regarding the 360 DVD drive read speed. In terms of at its fastest and indeed on average the 360 drive is faster but in certain rare circumstances the Bluray drive on the PS3 will read quicker than the 360's drive. This isn't a slight against Bluray though which is already better than DVD now in terms of seek time and read speed with the faster drives, unfortunately the PS3 uses the older 2x drives as a baseline for performance which are still more than good enough for the job when optimised well and HDD caching is used properly.

Well then maybe you should read the thread before posting... If you follow it back, the only reason I commented in here was because someone said the bluray drive is slower. I pointed out that, like you just said, there are cases when it is not.

To which I replied (in order to make myself more clear)-

The 12x DVD drive in the 360 reads data faster than the 2 x Blu Ray drive in the PS3.


To which you said I was STILL completely wrong. Guess in many respects I wasn't.



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LordMatrix said:
Xoj said:
LordMatrix said:
HanzoTheRazor said:
The only people that will be buying it for the 360 are the ones that are fans of FF, own a 360 and have not yet prchaces a PS3.

I would not even consider getting it for my 360.

That is so NOT true! I know plenty of people who want it for their X360 and not because they don't own a damn PS3 either. Seriously!? What is is with this fanboy bullcrap? You obviously really like PS3 and that's fine but there are many out there like myself who do not prefer the PS3 over X360. 

If it comes out on X360I get it on X360 simply because it's my platform of choice. PS3 and Wii are good systems to but I use mine only when a good exclusive comes around that I am interested in. FF 13 will be just as good on X360 as it will be on PS3.

technically- nope, since ps3 uncompressed and one disc.

the only reason i see one getting  360 if because they want archivements. again ps3 have trophies

Man you couldn't be more wrong on that. Plenty of people want it for X360. Your a PS3 fanboy though so it makes sense you would think no one who has both systems would want it for X360. How about those that jsut prefer the X360 controler or those that just simply like the X360 WAY more than they liek the PS3 overall or how about those that want to buy it on the same system they know most there friends will likely purchase it on as well. These are all reasons that could make one choose the X360 version over the PS3 one. I do like achievements over trophies but my main reason for preordering it for X360 is because its my favorite system plain and simple.

its RPG, not a multiplayer gam,why the hell i care which console my friends buy it too (though 100% bought a ps3 for that and versus). u can say archivements, but if u know japanese u can have it 6 months earlier with a working dpad and on one disc, and maybe a ff14 demo like the japanese version , plus uncompressed.

 



Badassbab said:
Feylic said:
slowmo said:
I never said that Bluray was slow, please understand I just get tired of reading the same misinformation regarding the 360 DVD drive read speed. In terms of at its fastest and indeed on average the 360 drive is faster but in certain rare circumstances the Bluray drive on the PS3 will read quicker than the 360's drive. This isn't a slight against Bluray though which is already better than DVD now in terms of seek time and read speed with the faster drives, unfortunately the PS3 uses the older 2x drives as a baseline for performance which are still more than good enough for the job when optimised well and HDD caching is used properly.

Well then maybe you should read the thread before posting... If you follow it back, the only reason I commented in here was because someone said the bluray drive is slower. I pointed out that, like you just said, there are cases when it is not.

To which I replied (in order to make myself more clear)-

The 12x DVD drive in the 360 reads data faster than the 2 x Blu Ray drive in the PS3.


To which you said I was STILL completely wrong. Guess in many respects I wasn't.


There is no point arguing with him if he will not conceed that the DVD drive is indeed 12x (for DL) to start with and he was wrong in that assumption before he started arguing any other point.  You indeed weren't wrong as for all intensive purposes the data that is read from for the vast majority of the time is on the outer edge of the disk and the slowest portion of the disk is filled with redundant data reserved by Microsoft.  In actual fact it hasn't been determined what the slowest speed a 360 drive will read at its worst point so the statement regarding there is a definite scenario where 2x Bluray is quicker is supposition without fact, I merely accept that it could occur, particularly with layer changes.  One thing I will say for certain is that in the majority of scenarios the 360 drive reads quicker, I cannot put a figure on this for obvious reasons so don't bother asking as its dependant on each specific game.

To answer his point regarding me insulting him, I called him out on his misinformation to which he still provided no proof, he then called my claim bs without having any facts on the matter.  I see only one person starting insulting people, the difference is I didn't have to cry about it when I was proved wrong.  If you don't understand who c4eva is Feylic I suggest you do some reading if you're really bothered about knowing the full facts.  Also please don't make accusations regarding what other users have said regarding our discussion, I'm not in control of what others type and you certainly shouldn't make assumptions regarding things I've written.  Had you asked for my view properly instead of saying everything I posted was bs then you would have got the reply you so desired.

Finally the point I guess is pretty moot anyway as what it does highlight is that FFXIII will not be affected particularly by either media type, there maybe slight load time difference but nothing that will be seen as an advantage on either console.  Apologies for the slight off topic discussion but I considered it slightly relevant when considering the thread is regarding the media the game is available on the 360.



Most PS3 games duplicate the most used data several times across the disc to improve load times.

Also, the uncompressed audio will eat about 2-3 GB.



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Yeah, thanks a lot, Hanzo...guys, does it really matter which system you're getting it on? I mean, yeah, ok, I'm getting the PS3 version because I can't be bothered to disc swap when given a choice, not to mention it's also my preferred platform this gen along with the controller, but is it really a big deal if someone gets it on Xbox 360?



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I still don't see what's the big deal of swapping a disk. It's not like you will be playing this game for 50 hours straight without sleeping, eating or anything else...



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I'll be honest...I really don't care which system people prefer to get it on....
Just get the darn game and make sure you enjoy it, too.



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How is the 3 DVD version going to work with the Hard Drive install option?

I also believe that it'll be bit more than the 15 GB difference because each disc must have part of the game engine replicated across all of the disc. Call it overhead if you will.

As for compression, I'm sure you can get away with loss of quality without detracting too much from gameplay. You can spot compression if you're looking for out for it.

I'd still get the PS3 version if I was so inclined to get this game. Because of disc swapping and I like high quality video/audio. I'm not too wild about FF series so it's not a first day buy for me. Definitely on my rental list for sure.