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gurglesletch on 19 December 2009

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bobbobbob on 19 December 2009
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
Wii: profit of $4 billion+ and increasing (I am too lazy to look it up, just throwing out a number that it definitely achieved)
360: loss of about $1.5 billion and decreasing (meaning they are profiting now)
PS3: loss of about $5 billion and increasing (meaning they are still losing money)

All numbers include hardware, software and accessory sales. The numbers aren't accurate, but they give you a general idea where everyone stands. They aren't close to each other.

The DS is more resposible for the high profit of Nintendo but the Wii is not too far behind.

Nobody knows this (outside Nintendo). Similarly, nobody knows quite how much the PS3 has lost since SCE numbers are being pulled up a bit from PSP and PS2 profits.

Seeing as how Nintendo's profits only really started to skyrocket in '07 (the Wii's first full year), and likely higher HW margins, and certain higher margins on SW, it should be clear that the Wii is more profitable than the DS.



Solid_Snake4RD on 19 December 2009
nofingershaha said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
WilliamWatts said:
RolStoppable said:
Wii: profit of $4 billion+ and increasing (I am too lazy to look it up, just throwing out a number that it definitely achieved)
360: loss of about $1.5 billion and decreasing (meaning they are profiting now)
PS3: loss of about $5 billion and increasing (meaning they are still losing money)

All numbers include hardware, software and accessory sales. The numbers aren't accurate, but they give you a general idea where everyone stands. They aren't close to each other.

Wait? Does that mean that the Wii would have made more profit than both the Xbox 360 and PS3 lost combined shortly? Also does that mean that the PS3 would have lost more money soon than the Xbox 360 + Xbox 1 combined? How come noone ever talks about how much of an epic success story the Wii is financially?

yes the Wii is making alot of money but $4b is not the correct figure.The profits are somewhere around $2.5b for the Wii not taking in account DS profits.

And no PS3 didn't lose more than Xbox + 360 losses.Xbox division losses racked up from the launch of Xbox franchise back in 2001 is near $9.5b(abt $3-4b from this gen),although near a billion of it has been earned back by profits.

Abt the PS3,PS3 has lost Sony's Playstation a total of $3.5b till September 2009 because of the loss sustained on every PS3 sale.This figure could be higher if we didn't take losses recouped thanks to PS2 and PSP.

About the original Xbox and PS2, we're not talking about last gen. The op wanted to know only about the current gen consoles.

i wasn't answering to OP.look at my quote carefully.I was trying answer WW's question



Solid_Snake4RD on 19 December 2009
Azelover said:

It's well beyond 4 billion. If you were to count everything it's more like 8 billion.

The Wii makes more money than the DS.

no its not.i know Wii is making hell lots of money for Nintendo but DS is making easily half of that



Solid_Snake4RD on 19 December 2009
RolStoppable said:
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
Wii: profit of $4 billion+ and increasing (I am too lazy to look it up, just throwing out a number that it definitely achieved)
360: loss of about $1.5 billion and decreasing (meaning they are profiting now)
PS3: loss of about $5 billion and increasing (meaning they are still losing money)

All numbers include hardware, software and accessory sales. The numbers aren't accurate, but they give you a general idea where everyone stands. They aren't close to each other.

The DS is more resposible for the high profit of Nintendo but the Wii is not too far behind.

Which means that my estimate is clearly not too high. Since the Wii launched Nintendo as a whole made more than $11 billion in profits. For me to be wrong your own statement has to be wrong.

You have a weird way to agree with someone, that's for sure.

NDS took off at the same time as the Wii and still kicking, your argument phails yet again.

If I am wrong, then so are you. You are aware of that, right?

wth are u trying to say,jst because ur wrong so will the other person???



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bobbobbob on 19 December 2009
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Azelover said:

It's well beyond 4 billion. If you were to count everything it's more like 8 billion.

The Wii makes more money than the DS.

no its not

Yes it is.

 

See how easy that is?

You've already been caught pulling "facts" from your ***.

Stop digging.



bobbobbob on 19 December 2009
RolStoppable said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
RolStoppable said:
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
Wii: profit of $4 billion+ and increasing (I am too lazy to look it up, just throwing out a number that it definitely achieved)
360: loss of about $1.5 billion and decreasing (meaning they are profiting now)
PS3: loss of about $5 billion and increasing (meaning they are still losing money)

All numbers include hardware, software and accessory sales. The numbers aren't accurate, but they give you a general idea where everyone stands. They aren't close to each other.

The DS is more resposible for the high profit of Nintendo but the Wii is not too far behind.

Which means that my estimate is clearly not too high. Since the Wii launched Nintendo as a whole made more than $11 billion in profits. For me to be wrong your own statement has to be wrong.

You have a weird way to agree with someone, that's for sure.

NDS took off at the same time as the Wii and still kicking, your argument phails yet again.

If I am wrong, then so are you. You are aware of that, right?

wth are u trying to say,jst because ur wrong so will the other person???

Doing the maths $11 billion

It's $13 billion since '07, which makes your original guesstimate of $4 billion too conservative.



TWRoO on 19 December 2009

The PS3 losses have certainly exceeded $6billion.... and are probably nearer $7.5-8billion (the only way to argue against this is to assume that the PSP has lost more instead... I estimate the PSP is somewhere between break even and $1 million profit)

The Wii has certainly exceeded $4 billion as Rol said, I think it is probably about right, between 4 and 5 billion.

The 360 is a bit tougher to estimate, but I would say it's between $1.5 and $2.5 billion loss at the moment, but they are making a profit now so in 18 month - 2 years time I think they will be break even for 360 (though still at a loss with xbox division due to original xbox)



TWRoO on 19 December 2009
bobbobbob said:
RolStoppable said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
RolStoppable said:
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
dolemit3 said:
RolStoppable said:
Wii: profit of $4 billion+ and increasing (I am too lazy to look it up, just throwing out a number that it definitely achieved)
360: loss of about $1.5 billion and decreasing (meaning they are profiting now)
PS3: loss of about $5 billion and increasing (meaning they are still losing money)

All numbers include hardware, software and accessory sales. The numbers aren't accurate, but they give you a general idea where everyone stands. They aren't close to each other.

The DS is more resposible for the high profit of Nintendo but the Wii is not too far behind.

Which means that my estimate is clearly not too high. Since the Wii launched Nintendo as a whole made more than $11 billion in profits. For me to be wrong your own statement has to be wrong.

You have a weird way to agree with someone, that's for sure.

NDS took off at the same time as the Wii and still kicking, your argument phails yet again.

If I am wrong, then so are you. You are aware of that, right?

wth are u trying to say,jst because ur wrong so will the other person???

Doing the maths $11 billion

It's $13 billion since '07, which makes your original guesstimate of $4 billion too conservative.

No I don't think so.... first of all the FY2007 ended in March 2007, which means only 4 months of Wii sales are included in it.
Second of all the profit should be balanced with whatever losses the consoles made from developing them, as well as profits from previous consoles (which are the things hiding the losses of development)

If Nintendo hadn't developed the Wii they would have made more profit than they did in the 2007 and 2006 fiscal years (though less in the years after Wiis release)



Moren on 19 December 2009

what about handhelds?
how much nintendo wins/losses for each ds sold (all models)?
how much they have made overall?
how much sony wins/losses for each psp sold (all models
including go)?
how much they have made overall?
how much apple wins/losses for each iphone sold (all models, including ipod touch)?
how much they have made overall?