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nen-suer on 20 December 2009
nordlead said:
nen-suer said:
nordlead said:

because me roleclaiming doesn't do any good.

Let's go hypothetical. What if I'm a doctor (mafia or town)? than any role blocker would block me (from either side if one exists) and my power would be useless. Or, let's say I have no power, the mafia think I have a power, waste a roleblock on me (or the other way around with the town).

No one will lynch me, because that is the same as a no lynch, so I might as well get as much done as possible in the next night.

Now, if we were near the end of the game, and 1 night is enough for us to win, then roleclaming would make sense.

......is that a role claim ?

night action = mafia, cop, doctor, SK or a vigilant

 

so if your not mafia that means they will kill you 2night....

 

last time someone told me when I was going to die they were mafia...

that was very nice of him :)

 

Now explain what did u meant by next night, like i said if ur not mafia you will most likely die 2night

night killers are bad for the mafia, so either ur a mafia and u just f***ed up, or a pro-town who just....well f***ed up also i guess



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Gnizmo on 20 December 2009
nen-suer said:

that was very nice of him :)

 

Now explain what did u meant by next night, like i said if ur not mafia you will most likely die 2night

night killers are bad for the mafia, so either ur a mafia and u just f***ed up, or a pro-town who just....well f***ed up also i guess

He is mafia and doesn't trust we won't lynch him, a serial killer and doesn't want to miss on a couple more kills, or pro-town. If he is mafia there is no need for the town to worry. He is dead soon enough, and unless he is the last Mafia it won't affect anything.

If he is a serial killer he will be trying to cause the most death possible, or just give up entirely and accept his fate. This means he would be trying to expose all but one Mafia and hope for as many double lynches as possible. We can monitor that too.

If he has a pro-town role that can do good for one more night though, then we have no desire to out him. That is what he has hinted at, and what you seem to accept that it is. There is no reason to force that one to role claim though. There are a number of reasons he would want to maintain that secret. There is only one reason to want to expose it. You are mafia, or anti-town in some other way.

Vote: Nen-seur



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Dgc1808 on 20 December 2009
nen-suer said:
nordlead said:
nen-suer said:
nordlead said:

because me roleclaiming doesn't do any good.

Let's go hypothetical. What if I'm a doctor (mafia or town)? than any role blocker would block me (from either side if one exists) and my power would be useless. Or, let's say I have no power, the mafia think I have a power, waste a roleblock on me (or the other way around with the town).

No one will lynch me, because that is the same as a no lynch, so I might as well get as much done as possible in the next night.

Now, if we were near the end of the game, and 1 night is enough for us to win, then roleclaming would make sense.

......is that a role claim ?

night action = mafia, cop, doctor, SK or a vigilant

 

so if your not mafia that means they will kill you 2night....

 

last time someone told me when I was going to die they were mafia...

that was very nice of him :)

 

Now explain what did u meant by next night, like i said if ur not mafia you will most likely die 2night

night killers are bad for the mafia, so either ur a mafia and u just f***ed up, or a pro-town who just....well f***ed up also i guess

I don't like the way you're trying to force it out of him... As far as I see it, I think it's in our best interest that he doesn't role claim.

Vote: Nen-suer   



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Dgc1808 on 20 December 2009
Soleron said:

OK. I believe insomniac to be Mafia.

These are his only two posts:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2938564&page=4&postnum=3
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=2940610&page=12&postnum=4

This is typical bare-minimum posting, with supposed content (but nothing new, just repeating others) and general comments that can't be pinned down to a position. I've seen it before, I've even done it myself when I was Mafia, but it is a huge warning sign I can't ignore. Especially the non-commital 'I might change my mind' with the No Lynch vote - if you don't believe in No Lynch then don't vote! Everyone else was having fun yesterday by posting random stuff, but that was just 'OMG I've got to post today - but not suspicious!!!' type thinking.

Vote: insomniac17

This seems like a reasonable deduction but I'm gonna stick with Nen for now.



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nordlead on 20 December 2009

vote: nen-suer

he's probably mafia (or some other anti-town role). Like I said, there is no reason for me to die tonight, but he insists I will. I'd rather keep the mafia/scum guessing than let them know what I'm capable of tonight.




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SuperAdrianK on 20 December 2009

its best we lynch as many as possible and get done so we can have less deaths sooo .......... im very sorry...
Vote: Nen-suer

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nen-suer on 20 December 2009
Gnizmo said:
nen-suer said:

that was very nice of him :)

 

Now explain what did u meant by next night, like i said if ur not mafia you will most likely die 2night

night killers are bad for the mafia, so either ur a mafia and u just f***ed up, or a pro-town who just....well f***ed up also i guess

He is mafia and doesn't trust we won't lynch him, a serial killer and doesn't want to miss on a couple more kills, or pro-town. If he is mafia there is no need for the town to worry. He is dead soon enough, and unless he is the last Mafia it won't affect anything.

If he is a serial killer he will be trying to cause the most death possible, or just give up entirely and accept his fate. This means he would be trying to expose all but one Mafia and hope for as many double lynches as possible. We can monitor that too.

If he has a pro-town role that can do good for one more night though, then we have no desire to out him. That is what he has hinted at, and what you seem to accept that it is. There is no reason to force that one to role claim though. There are a number of reasons he would want to maintain that secret. There is only one reason to want to expose it. You are mafia, or anti-town in some other way.

Vote: Nen-seur

Am not forcing him to role claim because he did role claim

to put it simply to you, if he is not mafia the will be killed 2night

 



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nen-suer on 20 December 2009

looks like this game will end sooner than i thought



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nen-suer on 20 December 2009
nordlead said:
vote: nen-suer

he's probably mafia (or some other anti-town role). Like I said, there is no reason for me to die tonight, but he insists I will. I'd rather keep the mafia/scum guessing than let them know what I'm capable of tonight.

Yes there is, any night action that doesn't belong to a group (mafia) or individual (serial killers) must be eliminated by the other faction

 

you will die 2night either by mafia or the other SKs

 

am just letting you know the obvious....i dont care if some people consider that suspicious



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Soleron on 20 December 2009

I agree with people's opinions on nen-suer. His sole day one post was to No Lynch and disappear. Similar reasoning to my insomniac17 vote applies, and forcing a role claim has been a good Mafia indicator in a few games thus far.

I would prefer insomniac17 lynched, but as no one seems interested in voting along those lines over nen-suer I'll vote nen today (as a #2 suspect) to see him lynched for those two things, and insomniac tomorrow.

Vote: nen-suer