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Senlis on 21 December 2009
Dv8thwonder said:
4 swords Celda would pop many a Zelda fan cherry I'd bet. Online multiplayer of course.

Maybe it is just me, but I don't understand what you are trying to say.




 

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Dv8thwonder on 21 December 2009
Senlis said:
Dv8thwonder said:
4 swords Celda would pop many a Zelda fan cherry I'd bet. Online multiplayer of course.

Maybe it is just me, but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

 

It's definitely you.



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MasterZack on 21 December 2009

They are awesome!!!



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twesterm on 21 December 2009

I really liked the WindWakers look and the game still looks brilliant today.

When it was released it probably had one of the emotive characters in any game of its time *and* also had the largest draw distances.

Sure, it could have the large draw distances because everything was so minimal, but it rocked that minimal style.



 

Dv8thwonder on 21 December 2009

I want New Play Control Wind Waker now!



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tedsteriscool on 21 December 2009

I don't like cel shading in general. Makes it seem too...anime-ish.

TP art style >>>>> WW art style.



twesterm on 21 December 2009
tedsteriscool said:
I don't like cel shading in general. Makes it seem too...anime-ish.

TP art style >>>>> WW art style.

Wait, TP had some sort of art style besides generic?  o.O



 

tedsteriscool on 21 December 2009
twesterm said:
tedsteriscool said:
I don't like cel shading in general. Makes it seem too...anime-ish.

TP art style >>>>> WW art style.

Wait, TP had some sort of art style besides generic?  o.O

No art style is generic; everybody has a different design taste that's unique



blunty51 on 21 December 2009
tarheel91 said:
blunty51 said:
It's just the description it's gotten over the years to distinguish the two different art styles.
Notice they're calling the realistic Zelda the 'mature' look, but not calling the cellshaded version an 'immature' one.

Also, the 'realistic style' Link is a very serious person. Cell shaded link has more cartoony facial expressions and jokes etc.

A description given to it by detractors of the style.  Calling it less mature is poisoning the well, no two ways around it.*  There is nothing more mature about realism vs. cel shading.  It's the same shit people pull with Mario, calling it kiddy.  Why is Mario kiddy?  Uh, uh, no guns or boobs!  Right, so there's no real reason.  It's the same thing with cell shading.  The humor in both WW and TP is the same, and while Link can be more expressive in WW thanks to the style, that's not just limited to funny expressions, but also those of anger, frustration, etc.  It's like the names used in political debates (e.g. people in favor of abortion call themselves pro choice, but their opposers call them anti-life).  There's no real substance behind such names, they are simply used because of their connotation and how they change people's view of something before a discussion can even begin.

 

 

*For those of you who've never heard of poisoning the well: Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a logical fallacy where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say.

Name came from detractors of the style? I dunno...I mean, I love both styles and I have no problems calling one 'mature' and the other 'cell shaded'. I'm not sure there is another universally accepted comfortable word to describe it to be honest.

As for poisoning the well...I think the Zelda franchise is too well established to let a label like that dampen anything, and if at all, it'll be in the extreme minority. Well this is just my view anyway.



tarheel91 on 21 December 2009
blunty51 said:
tarheel91 said:
blunty51 said:
It's just the description it's gotten over the years to distinguish the two different art styles.
Notice they're calling the realistic Zelda the 'mature' look, but not calling the cellshaded version an 'immature' one.

Also, the 'realistic style' Link is a very serious person. Cell shaded link has more cartoony facial expressions and jokes etc.

A description given to it by detractors of the style.  Calling it less mature is poisoning the well, no two ways around it.*  There is nothing more mature about realism vs. cel shading.  It's the same shit people pull with Mario, calling it kiddy.  Why is Mario kiddy?  Uh, uh, no guns or boobs!  Right, so there's no real reason.  It's the same thing with cell shading.  The humor in both WW and TP is the same, and while Link can be more expressive in WW thanks to the style, that's not just limited to funny expressions, but also those of anger, frustration, etc.  It's like the names used in political debates (e.g. people in favor of abortion call themselves pro choice, but their opposers call them anti-life).  There's no real substance behind such names, they are simply used because of their connotation and how they change people's view of something before a discussion can even begin.

 

 

*For those of you who've never heard of poisoning the well: Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a logical fallacy where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say.

Name came from detractors of the style? I dunno...I mean, I love both styles and I have no problems calling one 'mature' and the other 'cell shaded'. I'm not sure there is another universally accepted comfortable word to describe it to be honest.

As for poisoning the well...I think the Zelda franchise is too well established to let a label like that dampen anything, and if at all, it'll be in the extreme minority. Well this is just my view anyway.

Really, you don't think "realistic" works for describing the TP style?  Cause that's kind of what you've been using interchangeably with "mature."

You don't see how calling one "mature" poisons the well?  Let me spell it out for you.  Calling one mature implies that the other is not mature, or at least, is not as mature.  So really, although they don't say anything about the WW style by calling the TP style mature, they imply a lot (it's just how pro-choice implies that the opposing group is anti-choice, and pro-life implies that their opposers are anti-life).  Along with lacking maturity in the video game world comes terms like "kiddie" and "casual."  These labels discourage people from defending WW, as it's now associated with terms they dislike, and if they try to defend it, they're also labeled as such.