johnsobas said: steverhcp02 said: johnsobas said: tedsteriscool said: steverhcp02 said: Son1x said: I'll be in the school in two hours To summarize. There will either be lots of people talking about PS3 domination. Or there will be a handful of people trying to say "its still pretty good" and then laughing maniacally from behind their PC screens. And a larger group of people saying "its still pretty good" and then crying and sobbing being their PC screens. Then there will be those that say "Hahaha it ONLY sold 1 million copies. Flop!" That can easily be justified though.  If it does 1 million first day it will probably end up being the lowest selling Final Fantasy since 1991.  well, FF X sold 1.9 on an install base of 5.2 million. A 37% attach rate. Which means for the same attach rate FF 13 would have to sell 1.517 million first week to be on par with FF X, the second best selling FF. do you think square really cares about attach rate?  Honestly?  This is the most expensive FF ever, it's not getting cheaper.  I'm not saying it's a failure if it sells less than the previous ones, but it isn't going to be as profitable.

Do you really think Square Enix doesn't know that this is the first Final Fantasy ever to be released on a second or third place console?  You think they're just blindly expecting the exact same results as past games with no reference to market share and user base?

Does this thread have to devolve into guerilla warfare over how far we can move the goalposts before the numbers get posted?  Because you're not convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

steverhcp02 said: johnsobas said: steverhcp02 said: johnsobas said: tedsteriscool said: steverhcp02 said: Son1x said: I'll be in the school in two hours To summarize. There will either be lots of people talking about PS3 domination. Or there will be a handful of people trying to say "its still pretty good" and then laughing maniacally from behind their PC screens. And a larger group of people saying "its still pretty good" and then crying and sobbing being their PC screens. Then there will be those that say "Hahaha it ONLY sold 1 million copies. Flop!" That can easily be justified though.  If it does 1 million first day it will probably end up being the lowest selling Final Fantasy since 1991.  well, FF X sold 1.9 on an install base of 5.2 million. A 37% attach rate. Which means for the same attach rate FF 13 would have to sell 1.517 million first week to be on par with FF X, the second best selling FF. do you think square really cares about attach rate?  Honestly?  This is the most expensive FF ever, it's not getting cheaper.  I'm not saying it's a failure if it sells less than the previous ones, but it isn't going to be as profitable.  Oh. Good thing im not on the SEfinancialReportsForStockholdersChartz.com forum.

Attach rates is a cheap copout.  The attach rate thing has been shot down a million times by many franchises that sell just as well on PS3 as on previous systems.  Not only that but FF has already proven it can sell on small userbases, and sell just as well as the previous FF games on large userbases.  What evidence do you have that small userbases actually effect the sales of FF?  That would be the better question.

Its not a copout. Its a realistic expectation when we take a relatively new PS2 and a new gen FF X and compare it with a relatively new PS3 with a new gen FF XIII to determine what should be our realistic expectations.

I dont understand how factoring in userbase is somehow a copout. So if i sell 4 products to 20 potential customers yet someone sells 5 products to 200 do you think im a better salesperson? You probably wont because it goes against your argument, but in reality its a good variable to compare and contrast to determine success or relative success.

you didn't bring any evidence about how userbase effects the sales of FF.  In reality FF7 and FF10 sold about the same as all the other FF games on the same system regardless of the fact that the userbase multiplied several times.

Over a million first day excluding bundles.

http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2009/12/18/035/

http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/0912/18/news058.html

If you look at the sales of the FF games, a higher userbase seems to actually make it sell less if anything.

nice!

it begins, excellent sales

Im not talking about LTD sales. Im saying its th emost comparable for what we should expect to see first week. We all know over a generation the Playstation brand in particular expanded so fast and branched out so we didnt see linear growth in terms of first week sales. But i think comparing a new gen FF to a new gen FF is an accurate portrayal of expectations.

Seriously? Whats your problem its like youre on a crusade to damn the numbers regardless of what they will be. How is expecting a new gen FF with 4 million consoles sold to sell the same as a new gen FF with 5 million consoles sold gotten you so riled up. Its realistic. Its logical.

Damnnnnn son.