All forums need more posters like you WereKitten. Knowing what you are talking about rather than making it up as you go along makes for more interesting reading.
| WereKitten said: ^ Once again, I think I made my point already for everything you just said. I won't repeat myself and leave it to the willing reader. I will just comment on this nonsense of yours:
First I dispute that people are in general that informed about browsers, but I explained that yet and brought the experience of someone who has been developing for diverse clients for over ten years, web developing for five. The real nonsense is your last statement "so they aren't the better product". What makes a product better is how it caters to the user's needs, both known and present or eventual and future when it comes to actually using it. If the user is afraid to swap the browser because he thinks his computer will break, or if he doesn't know of a feature other browsers might have -that he would gladly use once he's shown- that has squat to do with the quality of the product. That's just misinformation. You seem to think that brand name and marketing add intrinsic value to an object. They don't, they just add market value ie they make an object more wanted by user X, certainly not a better product for X. Apparently misinformation about competitors does also make a product better in your view. I certainly don't care for a "free" market with your definition of product value and I very much welcome a nudge in the direction of facilitating users in finding out the value of software by trying to use it. |
Untrue.
A better product includes people wanting to use it.
Market Value is important when it coems to best.
Look at Ipods... Ipods are dominantly the most used MP3 player... yet when it comes to performance, they are near bottom of the barrel and always have been. Should the EU commission break up Ipods because they are an "inferior" product that suddenly selling to the masses?
Your just whining because you don't like the browsers most people CHOOSE to use.
Instead you want microsoft to do advertising for their opponents, because you've got a problem with Internet Explorer... and that's just it.
End of story.
If IE was in your estimation a "better product" you wouldn't give a shit.
Your like the average HD snob who complains that everyone is buying the wii... or the kind of music snob who complains the music industry stuff gets bought and nobody buys the poor indy stuff, when the indy stuff is worked on harder and is better.
What makes, or should i say, made IE the better product was simple. It's convient. People care a lot more about "It's there without me having to do anything" then they do "I have to research all this crap."
It'd be like if Mc Donalds was popular because it owned all the offhighway land, and only let Mcdonalds there, forcing other places to have to be off at exits... and the government came in and said that was unfair.
It's... well stupid.
^ And the whole point was making other browsers as much as convenient as IE for most user, because that's deemed important. You can disagree with me and even believe whatever you want, but seriously:
"Your just whining because you don't like the browsers most people CHOOSE to use.
Instead you want microsoft to do advertising for their opponents, because you've got a problem with Internet Explorer... and that's just it.
End of story.If IE was in your estimation a "better product" you wouldn't give a shit."
this kind of stuff, i.e. putting words in the mouth of others doesn't lead anywhere in a discussion, is insulting to the logic of any reader following the thread and is basically uncool.
I've explained why I think that the browser market is important enough that we should make sure the field is as fair as possible, the competition happens on the quality of the software, and we try to educate consumers about their options. I've explained why I think variety brings a better web to everybody, and pointed to the historical evidence.
If you want to discuss those points with a modicum of logic you're welcome. If you prefer childish comebacks like the quoted one we might as well not bother further.
It's simple to change your browser on Windows, I already have done to Firefox, Also it is also easy to change your operating system as well changing to something like Ubuntu(a flavor of Linux) is not as scary or as hard as you think, just be warned if you want to play games stick to windows, everything else Linux does, it has Open Office and all sorts which is very good and also free might I add.
it's the future of handheld
PS VITA = LIFE
The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1
| WereKitten said: ^ And the whole point was making other browsers as much as convenient as IE for most user, because that's deemed important. You can disagree with me and even believe whatever you want, but seriously:
this kind of stuff, i.e. putting words in the mouth of others doesn't lead anywhere in a discussion, is insulting to the logic of any reader following the thread and is basically uncool. I've explained why I think that the browser market is important enough that we should make sure the field is as fair as possible, the competition happens on the quality of the software, and we try to educate consumers about their options. I've explained why I think variety brings a better web to everybody, and pointed to the historical evidence. If you want to discuss those points with a modicum of logic you're welcome. If you prefer childish comebacks like the quoted one we might as well not bother further. |
It's not putting words in your mouth. It's just what your doing... all you've stated is a hate of Internet Explorer and a simple dislike that the fact that a company that makes the most popular OS also makes the most popular web browser.
Making it more convient in the way your talking would be like forcing McDonalds to sell Whoppers.
Is it more convient? Hell, yeah. Is it fair to McDonalds? Hell, No.
Products are bundled with popular products all the time. It's called smart buisness.
No one is forced to use IE and they don't even pretend that your forced to use IE. Those are the only circumstances a monopoly deregulator should step in.
Well that and price undercutting. However we are talking about a FREE product.
| jneul said: It's simple to change your browser on Windows, I already have done to Firefox, Also it is also easy to change your operating system as well changing to something like Ubuntu(a flavor of Linux) is not as scary or as hard as you think, just be warned if you want to play games stick to windows, everything else Linux does, it has Open Office and all sorts which is very good and also free might I add. |
They ever fix the problem with Open Office and the new Microsoft Office.
Now THAT is something shady microsoft did. Made it so that it converts older Microsoft Office files fine.
However if it was an older Microsoft Office file that was made by Open Office. It doesn't open correctly.
Sneaky stuff.
Kasz216 said:
They ever fix the problem with Open Office and the new Microsoft Office. Now THAT is something shady microsoft did. Made it so that it converts older Microsoft Office files fine. However if it was an older Microsoft Office file that was made by Open Office. It doesn't open correctly.
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that is sneaky i agree, but i am not in the bit surprised, it's a normal day for M$ at the office lol
Also might I add some professional businesses have chosen Linux over Windows as well.
it's the future of handheld
PS VITA = LIFE
The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1
jneul said:
that is sneaky i agree, but i am not in the bit surprised, it's a normal day for M$ at the office lol Also might I add some professional businesses have chosen Linux over Windows as well. |
I would too if i were them, it's free and quite honsety not any worse.
Only reason I got Office is my girlfriend is in Gradschool and all the colleges go Microsoft Office because they get huge deals on it.
Kasz216 said:
I would too if i were them, it's free and quite honsety not any worse. Only reason I got Office is my girlfriend is in Gradschool and all the colleges go Microsoft Office because they get huge deals on it. |
yeah i know, they gave me office and windows for free, also they gave visual studio 2005 to me for free, i cannot complain there
it's the future of handheld
PS VITA = LIFE
The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1
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