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Senlis on 23 December 2009
Kasz216 said:

You can however.

 

A) I don't pirate.

 

B) It's current economic theory.

 

You may as well lump people who beleive in evolution as "People who just don't want to beleive in god."

 

The only arguement among legitamite economists on piracy is whether or not piracy inherently devalues a product and if so, what that particular amount it devalues the product is.

 

It makes more sense in the real world, to have people pirate your stuff rather then not use it at all, if they were never going to purchase it in the first place.'

 




 

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Kasz216 on 23 December 2009
Senlis said:
Kasz216 said:

You can however.

 

A) I don't pirate.

 

B) It's current economic theory.

 

You may as well lump people who beleive in evolution as "People who just don't want to beleive in god."

 

The only arguement among legitamite economists on piracy is whether or not piracy inherently devalues a product and if so, what that particular amount it devalues the product is.

 

It makes more sense in the real world, to have people pirate your stuff rather then not use it at all, if they were never going to purchase it in the first place.'

 

I'm familiar with the joke.  It doesn't change the fact that economic theory is against you in this arguement.

 

Example of the above microsoft statement.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198000211&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All

 

Similarly this applies to publishers and developers who make games.  As people become more attached to a publishers games they are more likely to actually purchase them. 

 

In general.  Take this quote.

"We understand that in the long run the fundamental asset is the installed base of people who are using our products. What you hope to do over time is convert them to licensing the software."

But replace liscensing software with "Purchase future games."

 

Further backed up by this actually.

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/05/01/microsoft-to-pirates-youre-bad-but-youll-still-get-windows-7/

Microsoft is going to allow people who pirate Windows 7 to get security updates.  Crazy stuff. 

 

 



Farmageddon on 23 December 2009
AdventWolf said:
Farmageddon said:
I don't get the morality issue whenever you pirate something you'd never buy otherwise, no matter the reason.

I mean, how can it be morally wrong to get for free something someone else did and wants money from when it's actually doing them absolutely no harm? It's more like the other way around, actually, if you ask me. See, you make a game. Now there's this guy who's never gonna buy your game, but he does want to play it and has the means to do so, without doing you or your product no harm. Would you really deny it? Why? How can that be moral?

Hell, we are talking about a business already, bringing morality to the table makes no sense to begin with.

Yeah you're right, the pirates wouldn't buy it in the first place because they can illegally download it for FREE. It is a choice.
Some people never buy any games and pirate them all. Are you saying that if it was impossible to pirate the games then they wouldn't buy any?
They are not entitled to something even if they weren't going to buy it anyway.
I don't understand how people try to justify stealing. I have pirated some songs, do I think what  did was right? No because it's ILLEGAL.

Well, about the bolded, I'm not a native english speaker, so I may have phrased it wrong, but I believe the "otherwise" in "whenever you pirate something you'd never buy otherwise" means I'm talking about anyone who pirates something they wouldn't buy even if they couldn't pirate, doesn't it? That's what I was talking about.

So, yeah, if you pirate something you'd buy otherwise or, specially, if you actually pay for pirated content, that does make a difference. Otherwise, it makes no difference at all, and that's my point. Actually, whenever you pirate something you'd never buy (again, no matter why, you may even love the game, but have absolutely no money for that), there's a chance you'll talk about it and show it to friends and what not, so you're actually spreading good word of moth, and may benefit the developer after all, even if in a small way, but that's beyond the point I was making.

I can't see how you can be stealing when you're not taking anything away either directly OR indirectly.

Edit: If piracy hurts sales so much, why doesn't PS3 games sell incredibly more than XBOX 360, Wii, DS, or even PS2/XBOX/GC/AnyOlderVideogame did?

Also, not directly related to this quote, but someone touched on porrer contrys and, really, if you had to pay five hundred dollars for a game in the US, do you think you would? It's simply not worth all that much.



Farmageddon on 23 December 2009
GreyianStorm said:
vlad321 said:
Senlis said:
I still haven't heard any reason you should get something for free, just more explanations how it doesn't hurt anybody. Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter to you.

If you can get something free why the hell not? I don't see a problem with it. Wanna start paying me for every time you take a piss?

Did you pay for your PC? You could have gotten it free, but would you have willingly stolen it?

But you'd actually have to take a pc away from someone to do that, wouldn't you?



Farmageddon on 23 December 2009
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
@Vaio and Vlad

If you were a game developer. How would you feel if someone pirated your game?

I'm actually studying to become a game developer, preferabbly an AI programmer. If my game gets pirated a lot then that just mean we did a shitty job, plain and simple. I'm not afraid to face the truth, but apparently many many people are (and then they get depressed and stuff themselves ful of drugs, or they use scapegoats such as piracy).

Hmm. Another question. Did you ever think that the companies that did "shitty jobs" need the money more than the larger studios? You don't start out big. How can a small studio grow and make better games if there first game was pirated a lot?

http://2dboy.com/games.php

I res my case, you were a worthy oponent.

>.< lol that is the only game that I have really ever obtained questionably. But I don't see your point. Talk to me as if it is 1am and I am exhausted

My point is that that game was made by 2 people on an extremely low budget. So your money argument is pointless. Also that is the one game you SHOULD have bought. That game and Portal were the only 2 games worth buying in the last 4 years. Well and Dragon Age now.

Also, that game is copy protection FREE, as the developer himself says having those is pointless and pirating is not actually an issue, so it's an even better example.

There's plenty of hard evidence saying it doesn't hurt sales nearly as much as some people want to say it does, if at all, so the only argument seems to be "you're not entitled to have it if you don't pay, that's imoral". Wich makes no sense, you'd have to be a selfish bastard to deny someone something they really want but can't (no matter why) get the other way and won't actually hurt you in absolutelly no way.



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vlad321 on 23 December 2009

@Senlis

Tell me why women should have any rights outside of breathing and eating without the reason that they are entitled to those rights.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Senlis on 23 December 2009

Look down




 

Kasz216 on 23 December 2009
Senlis said:

Look down

You've you know.  Ignored the fact that I don't pirate.

Not even music... which is probably more then can be said for every other person in this thread.

The truth is, you just don't want to argue anymore because in general you know your argument has no basis in economics.



Senlis on 24 December 2009
Kasz216 said:
Senlis said:

Look down

You've you know.  Ignored the fact that I don't pirate.

Not even music... which is probably more then can be said for every other person in this thread.

The truth is, you just don't want to argue anymore because in general you know your argument has no basis in economics.

1) I know you are not a pirate.  You said so.  It was an announcement I was tired typing those long posts.  I don't pirate music or software, for the record.

2) I stated from the beggining that I was not arguing economics, but you wanted to.  I continues to say I was not arguing economics, yet you continue.  We are having to seperate arguments, and you should take yours to an economist.  It's pointless anyway, as just because something is economically sound doesn't make it right or legal.




 

Kasz216 on 24 December 2009
Senlis said:
Kasz216 said:
Senlis said:

Look down

You've you know.  Ignored the fact that I don't pirate.

Not even music... which is probably more then can be said for every other person in this thread.

The truth is, you just don't want to argue anymore because in general you know your argument has no basis in economics.

1) I know you are not a pirate.  You said so.  It was an announcement I was tired typing those long posts.  I don't pirate music or software, for the record.

2) I stated from the beggining that I was not arguing economics, but you wanted to.  I continues to say I was not arguing economics, yet you continue.  We are having to seperate arguments, and you should take yours to an economist.  It's pointless anyway, as just because something is economically sound doesn't make it right or legal.

Well,

A) Nothing makes something ethical.  All things are inherently ethical until they are made unethical.

B) If their is no economic losses their is nothing that makes piracy unethical.  If you can get something for free, and it hurts no one, property is not even lost... that is in no way unethical.

To say otherwise you are holding tenious IP rights that aren't even relevent in most countries above the well being of others.  Which in itself is actually quite unethical.