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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009

People are complaining how Nintendo only gets out a few games a year on Wii, or bunching up all their big tiles in a single year and then having long droughts, well its because it takes time and money to make a 3D game on Wii, not only that it makes it harder to make new properties, because of the costs inherent in 3D game development. Now with 2D, more games can be made in a year and even new properties can be experimented with.

So on all issues 2D wins out, you can produce more games at lower costs and faster, thereby allowing for more diversity, and more games released in a year and sell at the same price for comparable sales. If 2D gaming on DS and the Gameboy and SNES and NES never became saturated, then 2D on Wii won't become saturated, what will happen is more games will be put out on Wii.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.

You've not shown any logic or facts, all you've said is diversity and make both, ignoring that 2D can be even more diverse, and cheaper and less time consuming, and it won't fail, as Gameboy and DS have proved, so what is your supporting argument, even your idea that 3D sells more is only based on one game, lol, a game that came out more than 10 years ago and whose 3D successors haven't been able to match.

money money money money profit profit profit profit

gosh, thank god devs don't think like you all the time, the industry wouldn't move forward!


  So the losses of most of the third parties is them moving forward?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Son1x said:
Oh Avinash, you make me laugh with your logic.

I notice you haven't given any reasons why my logic is wrong, so laugh away, I'll still be right



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Son1x on 15 December 2009

I agree with Darth, if you'd be in Gaming Business I'd be long doing something else.

Going by your logic, all we'd see are Halo/MW clones, Starcraft/Warcraft clones, Pokemon/FF clones, 2D Mario clones etc.



"And yet, I've realized that maybe living a "decent" life means you won't ever have a "good" life."

 

Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Son1x said:
I agree with Darth, if you'd be in Gaming Business I'd be long doing something else.

Going by your logic, all we'd see are Halo/MW clones, Starcraft/Warcraft clones, Pokemon/FF clones, 2D Mario clones etc.

Not at all, in fact 2D would actually open up the market towards more experimental titles and properties, as the time and monsy saved on the sure hits could be put into the new stuff with less risk, most  the big established franchises today started out in 2D



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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darthdevidem01 on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.

You've not shown any logic or facts, all you've said is diversity and make both, ignoring that 2D can be even more diverse, and cheaper and less time consuming, and it won't fail, as Gameboy and DS have proved, so what is your supporting argument, even your idea that 3D sells more is only based on one game, lol, a game that came out more than 10 years ago and whose 3D successors haven't been able to match.

money money money money profit profit profit profit

gosh, thank god devs don't think like you all the time, the industry wouldn't move forward!


  So the losses of most of the third parties is them moving forward?

So making 2D games & MW clones (which WILL bring profits) is moving forward?

I am a gamer avinash, not a shareholder

I know whats moving forward for me



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

burgerstein on 15 December 2009

Avinash, why do you assume Nintendo only has the capacity to make a small amount of games, and can never increase that capacity? 2D Mario and 2D Metroid may be more diverisfied than 2D and 3D Mario, but both 2D and 3D of Mario and Metroid is more diversified and more profitable than either of those situations. There's no good reason they can't pump out a 2D Mario every year as well as making a 3D Mario every 3 years.



"Now, a fun game should always be easy to understand - you should be able to take one look at it and know what you have to do straight away. It should be so well constructed that you can tell at a glance what your goal is and, even if you don’t succeed, you’ll blame yourself rather than the game. Moreover, the people standing around watching the game have also got to be able to enjoy it." - Shiggy

A Koopa's Revenge II gameplay video

Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.

You've not shown any logic or facts, all you've said is diversity and make both, ignoring that 2D can be even more diverse, and cheaper and less time consuming, and it won't fail, as Gameboy and DS have proved, so what is your supporting argument, even your idea that 3D sells more is only based on one game, lol, a game that came out more than 10 years ago and whose 3D successors haven't been able to match.

money money money money profit profit profit profit

gosh, thank god devs don't think like you all the time, the industry wouldn't move forward!


  So the losses of most of the third parties is them moving forward?

So making 2D games & MW clones (which WILL bring profits) is moving forward?

I am a gamer avinash, not a shareholder

I know whats moving forward for me

MW2 cost almost 50 million to make and millions more to advertise, now imagine how many 2D games could be made with that, and even if most were moderate successes, and one or two were big successes, you'd still come out ahead.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

darthdevidem01 on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.

You've not shown any logic or facts, all you've said is diversity and make both, ignoring that 2D can be even more diverse, and cheaper and less time consuming, and it won't fail, as Gameboy and DS have proved, so what is your supporting argument, even your idea that 3D sells more is only based on one game, lol, a game that came out more than 10 years ago and whose 3D successors haven't been able to match.

money money money money profit profit profit profit

gosh, thank god devs don't think like you all the time, the industry wouldn't move forward!


  So the losses of most of the third parties is them moving forward?

So making 2D games & MW clones (which WILL bring profits) is moving forward?

I am a gamer avinash, not a shareholder

I know whats moving forward for me

MW2 cost almost 50 million to make and millions more to advertise, now imagine how many 2D games could be made with that, and even if most were moderate successes, and one or two were big successes, you'd still come out ahead.

so what?

I#d prefer a Uncharted 2 & Super Mario Galaxy & Zelda Wii over the hundreds of 2D games that could be made instead

once again, I'm a gamer not a shareholder



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
burgerstein said:
Avinash, why do you assume Nintendo only has the capacity to make a small amount of games, and can never increase that capacity? 2D Mario and 2D Metroid may be more diverisfied than 2D and 3D Mario, but both 2D and 3D of Mario and Metroid is more diversified and more profitable than either of those situations. There's no good reason they can't pump out a 2D Mario every year as well as making a 3D Mario every 3 years.

But the issue is, that they have a limited capacity, that's the point, as we can clearly see they can't make every game, which is why games get farmed out like Other M, and games take years to come out, so the issue then becomes what is the most efficient way to use the capacity they do have, and that is to cut out 3D or use it very sparingly and utilize 2D more.

 

Sure if they had unlimited capacity, then yeah make hundreds of different types of games, 2D, 3D whatever, but they can't



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)