It's an appeal to common sense. The conduit can run on wii with online multiplayer for...what was it 12 people? Or was it 8? Either way, NSMBW does not push the wii as hard as the Conduit. I don't have specs, I have common sense.

Common sense doesn't mean a lot in this case - unless, like Kylie, you want to call Miyamoto a liar. If that's the case, then the burden of proof is on you, and "common sense" does not qualify.

They are not journalists, they are enthusiast press. They are professional opinion givers. The vast majority of them do not have degrees in journalism, nor do they claim to be journalists. Their job is that of pundits, to give their views and opinions on what they see. I heard the podcast, they were being sarcastic when they said they are just trying to get clicks by bashing wii. To say that one disagrees with some of it is perfectly justifiable. To ignore everything they are saying which is very justified, under the blanket of "They are just trolls" isn't justified, and is just the usual videogame loyalist method of defending their brand of choice. They've been very regular in their critisisms of all three systems, and what critical "mode" do you want, other than the mode of enthusiast gamer disatisfied with their wii?

I think th thing here is that we have different expectations of the duties of the enthusiast press. It doesn't mattr how they describe themselves, what their educations are, or even how they conduct themselves - they are, by nature of their profession, journalists. Shitty journalists, one could argue, and not quite sure of what they ought to b doing, bu they're still journalists.

And I do not think people are dismissing all of their statements by calling them trolls - that would not be rasonable.

Calling them trolls, though, is not unreasonnable in and of itself.

I've gone over the NSMBWii-power thing before, but i'll re-state my opinion on the matter. I do not think Miyamoto would lie about this, deliberately tarnishing the Wii's image in the public eye, in order to avoid accusations of laziness. If they were doing it because they didn't feel like doing it, they would have said so. So many features they've left out of games for whatever reason, because they didn't feel it would fit.

It would have been so much easier for him to just brush off the question, rather than outright lying. If the truth is easier, why lie?

Computer specs and program use of them is not up to common sense. That is the excuse of the intellectually lazy, trying to deflect the burden of proof.

From the specs we know of the Wii, we don't have a single list telling us how any of the games on the Wii use those specs. I don't even know if the PS3 or 360 have that as well.

How many polygons does Mario alone have? What's the texture resolution? What's the total RAM, CPU, GPU, and pipeline (pixel and TEV) use of that model? Anyone?

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IGN your ship is sinking.

You are really hurting my argument here

Fine, you keep on believing that Miyamoto wasn't doing PR, and that NSMBW is in fact the pinnacle of what the wii can handle technologically, that in fact the people absolutely most familiar with the system cannot in actuality squeeze any more out of it than what has been accomplished with the monumental technical feat that is NSMBW. Back when the wii was released there were many nay sayers saying "NAY! There can never be a 2d platformer, that looks like a decent improvement over a DS game, running with 4 people simultaneously! The wii cannot handle it! What, with all the goomba matrixes, and Koopa AI and the like!" But, they were proven wrong when Miyamoto personally rolled up his sleeves and showed them that you could get 3....no...no....4!!! 4!!! Players playing at once!!! With some complex abstract mathematics, and a completely new programming language designed entirely for this game alone invented by miyamoto, one could in fact mimic Super Smash Brothers Brawl's Adventure mode with less textures, fewer graphical effects, and midi music, at the expense of online play!

You go ahead and believe it, I'm going to remain incredulous that NSMBW is the pinnacle of wii technology.