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CyberRazorCut on 13 December 2009
JaggedSac said:
CyberRazorCut said:

I own all three consoles, and have absolutely no preference or 'allegiance'.....I just buy the games that I like on each.  Simple.  I own Halo's 1-3, but passed on ODST.  Now that's out the way, here's my opinion on the trailer (which I just watched in HD on XBL):

This doesn't look like a new engine to me.   Just a polished version of a dated one.  I'm all for the potential of (possible) six-player co-op, and can't grumble at the direction Bungie seem to be taking the gameplay (provided the single player campaign - the meat and potatoes of the franchise for me - is up to scratch), but compared to other AAA titles the graphics in this trailer are serviceable rather than outstanding.  Halo 3 looked good when it was released, but it wasn't ahead of the game, as I expected from the flagship 360 game, and ODST way way behind the competition in terms of visuals, In My Opinion.  Killzone 2 looked outstanding, but the (eventually) samey visuals and routine gamplay made Halo 3 a vastly superior game.  In a world where every aspect of a game's engine are picked apart ad nauseum on forums ('Game X is only running at 640p!', 'the gargoyles in Game Y have more polygons on the PS3!', 'Halo Reach looks a bit dated!'...oh wait, that's me....), I'm just surprised that MS hasn't put more pressure on Bungie to create a sumptuous eye-fest for fanboys to brag about.  I don't want Halo to look like Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare or Gears, but I do expect it to push the envelope with it's own visual style.....I certainly don't expect the most anticipated game on 360 to look 'pretty good'. 

I'm looking forward to Halo: Reach, and something would have to go drastically wrong for me not to buy it, but the competition does seem to be leaving Bungie behind in terms of graphical clout.  When all's said and done, it's only the first trailer, and I applaud Bungie for not wasting our time with a pre-rendered cop-out, but on this evidence it's not a game that's going to make my eyeballs bleed.

 

I am gonna disagree on the graphics. Did you watch it in HD?  The graphics are great.  Lighting, textures, models, animations, have all gotten a sizable increase in quality.  I am now confident the game will look fantastic, now lets see how the gameplay comes around.

 

 

Yeah, not a noticeable leap?

Is that a close-up from Halo 3?  I'm certainly willing to eat my words on the game not being much of a leap from how I remember Halo 3 to look then. 

I definitely agree with everything toadslayer72 said though - it does look good, it just doesn't look great - but I'm anticipating another game that plays better than the opposition. 

Edit:  Surely that shot is from Halo 2 not 3?

 



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yo_john117 on 13 December 2009

It was an amazing trailer!



wholikeswood on 13 December 2009

No gameplay, but liked the mood.

Is the guy walking at the beginning Master Chief but in a slightly bulked up suit?

Guy with the hunting knife was cool. Same skull mask as Ghost from MW2. If I were a soldier, I'd wear that mask. It's badass.



dahuman on 13 December 2009
elticker said:

beautiful cutscene they show you the new BR and the spartan with the skull helmet looks badass and soundtracks just rock. also graphics are top notch. this game feels different than halo 3 it feels huge and sad i guess tahts cause of the spartans and unsc being crushed on reach

Edit: I think this game is gonna beat uncharted 2 in graphics and become graphic console king of 2010

uh, what's with the flame bait edit?



dsister44 on 13 December 2009
CyberRazorCut said:
JaggedSac said:
CyberRazorCut said:

I own all three consoles, and have absolutely no preference or 'allegiance'.....I just buy the games that I like on each.  Simple.  I own Halo's 1-3, but passed on ODST.  Now that's out the way, here's my opinion on the trailer (which I just watched in HD on XBL):

This doesn't look like a new engine to me.   Just a polished version of a dated one.  I'm all for the potential of (possible) six-player co-op, and can't grumble at the direction Bungie seem to be taking the gameplay (provided the single player campaign - the meat and potatoes of the franchise for me - is up to scratch), but compared to other AAA titles the graphics in this trailer are serviceable rather than outstanding.  Halo 3 looked good when it was released, but it wasn't ahead of the game, as I expected from the flagship 360 game, and ODST way way behind the competition in terms of visuals, In My Opinion.  Killzone 2 looked outstanding, but the (eventually) samey visuals and routine gamplay made Halo 3 a vastly superior game.  In a world where every aspect of a game's engine are picked apart ad nauseum on forums ('Game X is only running at 640p!', 'the gargoyles in Game Y have more polygons on the PS3!', 'Halo Reach looks a bit dated!'...oh wait, that's me....), I'm just surprised that MS hasn't put more pressure on Bungie to create a sumptuous eye-fest for fanboys to brag about.  I don't want Halo to look like Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare or Gears, but I do expect it to push the envelope with it's own visual style.....I certainly don't expect the most anticipated game on 360 to look 'pretty good'. 

I'm looking forward to Halo: Reach, and something would have to go drastically wrong for me not to buy it, but the competition does seem to be leaving Bungie behind in terms of graphical clout.  When all's said and done, it's only the first trailer, and I applaud Bungie for not wasting our time with a pre-rendered cop-out, but on this evidence it's not a game that's going to make my eyeballs bleed.

 

I am gonna disagree on the graphics. Did you watch it in HD?  The graphics are great.  Lighting, textures, models, animations, have all gotten a sizable increase in quality.  I am now confident the game will look fantastic, now lets see how the gameplay comes around.

 

 

Yeah, not a noticeable leap?

Is that a close-up from Halo 3?  I'm certainly willing to eat my words on the game not being much of a leap from how I remember Halo 3 to look then. 

I definitely agree with everything toadslayer72 said though - it does look good, it just doesn't look great - but I'm anticipating another game that plays better than the opposition. 

Edit:  Surely that shot is from Halo 2 not 3?

 

No, that is from Halo 3. You can tell because the brute is wearing armor.



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dsister44 on 13 December 2009
wholikeswood said:
No gameplay, but liked the mood.

Is the guy walking at the beginning Master Chief but in a slightly bulked up suit?

Guy with the hunting knife was cool. Same skull mask as Ghost from MW2. If I were a soldier, I'd wear that mask. It's badass.

No, Master Chief was not on Reach at the time of the battle. He and two other spartans were in space, because a station failed to commence the Cole Protocol 



NightAntilli on 13 December 2009

Sometimes I really really wonder what you people are looking at.. If you really don't think this is a huge graphical leap.. Well.. Meh it's best that I say nothing. In any case.. Here's a high quality video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm776je0wlQ&hd=1

Anyway, the trailer revealed a lot more than you people actually noticed. I didn't notice all that stuff either, but I'll copy paste it here..



- At the end of the trailer: a large 7 in the sky appears. Possible month release date?

Copied out bungie.net offical thread:

For the ease of communication from now on in this thread these are the spartans names.

"Wolf" - Center Screen @ 0:45
"Recon" - Center Screen @ 0:55
"EVA" - Right Side @ 1:02
"Kat" - Right Side @ 1:06
"Carter" - Left Side @ 1:09
"Jorge" - Right Side. @ 1:13

The new banner is from left to right (also they appear to be holding)...
Jorge (M-G Turret), Kat (Dual Pistols?), Carter (Battle Rifle), EVA (Shotgun), Recon (Sniper).

"Wolf" (Due to the Lone Wolf picture in the update.)
- The new guy, lieutenant. @ 0:48
- Wolf never speaks or shows his face (Possibly main character). @ 0:12
- UNSC written on the Wolf's helmet @ 0:15 (AdonicDonnie)
- Possibly Mark IV helmet on Wolf. @ 1:03 (Toa Freak)
- Wolf has something to hide. @ 1:30 (statoose)

"Recon"
- The sniper on the Hawk. @ 1:00
- What appears to be a Recon helmet. @ 0:56
- Has a knife on his right shoulder (not same kind as EVA). @ 0:58 (KaNyE)

"EVA"
- The skull faced guy with the knife. @ 1:05
- EVA has emblems and grenade launcher rounds. @ 1:05 (AdonicDonnie)

"Kat"
- The girl with the mechanical arm. @ 1:05
- Spartan # is 320 (Cant make out name but it looks like KAT). @ 1:07 (AdonicDonnie)
- Kat's helmet. @ 1:26
- Kat has a helmet cam. @ 1:24 (ZYPHER8 Iz BaK)

"Carter"
- The commanding officer. @ 1:10
- Carter's (Unknown) helmet sitting on table. @ 1:11
- Commander Carter has CARTER-259 printed on armor. @ 1:21 (Scott112)
- Carter has a screen of some sort on his wrist. @ 1:38
- Carter has a helmet cam. @ 1:27 (ZYPHER8 Iz BaK)

"Jorge"
- Jacked guy on the right. @ 1:15
- Jorge is Spartan 052. @ 1:19

"Elite"
- Elite is shown for the first time (Much different eyes). @ 2:24 (anthrove795)
- Elites have lower jaws. @ 2:25 (spartn758)

Weapons
- BR (or a BR-like weapon) is confirmed to be back. @ 0:44
- Pistol on the side of Wolf's leg. @ 0:50
- Combat knife. @ 1:05
- EVA has shotgun on his back. @ 1:25 (GoodNutz1385)
- Sniper looks very similar to Halo 3's . @ 1:45
- Sniper holds 4 bullet clips again. @ 0:55 (Bionic Juice)
- Sword is back and sparks when activated. @ 2:24 (PrimeGhost548)

Vehicles
- Transport Hog is back. @ 0:20
- New flying transport vehicle called Hawk. @ 0:33 (Cpt LegendArian)
- Regular Warthog drives by driven by a marine. @ 2:03
- Covenant ship in the clouds. @ 2:10 (anthrove795)

Others
- First good view of Reach's landscape. @ 0:30
- Bird emblem on the rear of the Hawk @ 0:52 (AdonicDonnie)
- Winter Contingency has been declared. @ 1:13 (Warlord AIpha)
- EVA's combat knife stored in a sleeve on the shoulder. @ 1:25 (mixtertrix)
- Noble team now has 6 members. @ 1:42
- Planet from the teaser trailer with the rings. @ 1:55 (Jacobo11)
- A big explosion or something. @ 2:06
- Blood on the floor (Doesnt seem gorier). @ 2:24 (candymountainCJ)



Truth does not fear investigation

dsister44 on 13 December 2009

I haven't read the book for awhile, so correct me if I am wrong 

*Potential Spoilers*

From what NightAntilli said it seems that these spartans do not make it off of the planet. Do you guys think these spartans last long enough to enter the underground temple? If so that would be epic. Thousands of of covenant right there ready to kill you . Maybe the last level would be of you rushing to escape to a ship to get off the planet. Just like the last levels of Halo and Halo 3. But you just can't make it. 



NightAntilli on 13 December 2009

Another thing. Remember the leaked reach pics? Compare this one

 

 

To this one

 

 

Guess the leaked pics were real.



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Dallinor on 13 December 2009

It was pretty boring.

Lots of talking in a pretty dull environment, so no, you aren't the only one.