i think natal itself will only go so far, since buttons are somewhat necessary for certain types of situations. it would be awesome, however, for the technology to be implemented in devices other than video games

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there it goes :-/

I don't have to address the legitimate concerns, I'm the consumer. I have to wait until they make something with it, and make a personal judgement when that happens. Until then, nothing I say about it means anything really. I think it's the next big step towards VR, I could be wrong, I don't know. And that's the kicker, is nobody knows unless they are on a dev team. And I don't think that forum poster's lack of understanding "how it could work!" is proof that it isn't going to.

Ah I see. Appeal to authority. Well I don't really have the time to argue against a logical fallacy. Well thats not true. I don't really have the energy. You don't have to address anything, it is true. However, your statements then lose all merit. Unless you can logically back them up there isn't much weight to it.

A group of technophiles believe that the latest technology will be the next big thing. Shocking. The consumer is what dictates the next big thing ultimately. How do you compete against the most popular genres with untested and new ones? Going strictly into a Natalesque control schemes present a significant number of limitations as of right now.

I don't know where this close minded thing comes from. It is odd how people keep repeating it. Who here has said Natal didn't open up a lot of interesting avenues in game development?

True, If sony and microsoft would link natal with wand and 3D, that would be awesome for casual as well as for hardcore.

Example:

Lets say that you are on the couch (comfortable for a couple hours of gaming as we know it) in front of the tv, you can move your character with the analogue on the wand as well as do action with the button like jump (because a normal gamer will not like to jumb in real life while playing an FPS or action or platformer). But you also have actions triggered by movings your arms, like taking a item on a desk. And this Item is in 3D, sticking out of the screen. The system knows where the item is sticking out by doing calculation, while the depth camera sense if your hand is where the item "is". You grab the item and place it in your packback, which is your chest. Now when you want to use it you enter the menu and use it normally with the controller button. This is a good example that would work.

Also the person that talked about the mech game earlier, stated an amazing example of how controller free could work well. You will not be able to feel the controller but you would be able to see it in front of you. You need 3D tho, if not I agree that controller free gaming is a really strange idea.

I guess my main point it that you don't know that some or even all of the limitations haven't already been overcome. Neither can I say for certain that they ever will be. Until we see the finished product we can't condemn it to failure for limitations we can't be sure are even there. I actually get the feeling we're not that far apart on what we're arguing about here. I've had a really rough day, and I might have come off as cranky and mean, if so, I apologize.

Nope

MS has no patent on stereo cams. Everyone can make one and infact Sony developes one too. They have even showed it already.

And if Natal would be really a success EVERYONE would make the same thing. So Natal is the future maybe but is this technology MS property ? NO ? Is Sony making the same thing ? Yes. Perhaps even in this gen ? Who knows ? If Natal is a success then we probably see 3dcams for all purposes and every console would have atleast third party cams. natal is nothing special. Just because MS trys to make you think its a revolution it doesnt mean that it is really so special. The developers which make the games for Natal have then the technology and can use it with every stereocamera.

Natal is just a brand name its not a technology. Bravia is just a Brand name for a TV but everybody can make Tvs. natal is MS but the technology belongs to all and Sony works on a stereocamera as well. the best thing which could happen for MS the absolute best case scenario is that it has 3 months of sales without competitor. Because Sony think its just a gimmick. But if they would see the success of natal they would launch it within months. I wouldnt be surprised if Sony shows ICU on the E3 2010 just to lower the hype for Natal a little bit.

Natal is nothing special Natal is just 2 Cameras in one both cameras take a picture and Natal then calculates how the 3d Picture would look like.->Works like human eyes. This technology is a simple stereo camera. So every stereocamera can do the same thing like natal. The calculations can be made software driven. The SPUs have extreme calculation power so the Sony stereocamera wouldnt even need a chip in it and would be less expensive. the Spu for the OS could make the calculations for ICU this could be easily implemented in the OS via FW update. The same games could come out on both systems. And for the next gen there would be absolutly no advantage for the Xbox360 because all consoles would start with a stereocamera.

This would happen if Stereocameras are a success. If they are not a big success. Sony would probably wait to release their Camera with the PS4 and develope some software.

3D Cameras have a lot of uses I can believe that there will be notebooks with a sterocamera above the screen so you can control the new Windows without touching the screen or another device. you wont even need a mouse maybe even no keyboard so you would have just the screen. Sterocameras are great system which can have a lot of uses but again MS has no patent on this MS has nothing to do with Natal its developed by another company. MS is just forcing the Idea. If it works in Videogames we will see this in the future but I still can not think of a intelligent use in videogames with todays technology.

Maybe you did not understand that but no one was hyping natal here. Microsoft is not doing 3D games anytime soon and this thread is about the gaming possibility of a stereo cam (in this case Natal) and 3 D gaming. All this hate wasnt necessary and can be considered trollign since its negative and off topic.