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TheSource said:

175,000 is more than what DS did at a cheaper price with DQIX selling 2,350,000 week one.

Beyond that even when PS3 had the 10,000 Yen price and new model introduced simultaneously along with some new software, it only jumped to 153,000.

 

DS has a much bigger market saturation than the PS3. Both titles are massive in Japan but a lot less people needed to buy a DS to play DQIX. I'm betting on the FFXII gives a higher percentile push than DQIX.




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trestres said:


IP banishment is actually useless due to the amount of proxy servers out there and if you have a dynamic IP address it wouldn't be of any use.

Still, I agree his English is kind of better, but is still pretty bad. And browsing through his post history I've found some posts that point out in that direction.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think he is Crazzy, or at least someone who thinks the PS3 will win this gen by over 40 million units.

I am trying to say this in a very dimplomatic way, so forgive the vagueness here. Crazzyman did not have the foresight to use a proxy before, nor did he think to significantly alter his speech patterns. He has also shown that he does no adapt well to new circumstances. As such, I do not think it would be likely for him to learn enough to correctly circumvent the problems so quickly.

They probably would agree on a lot though. People sharing terrible ideas is pretty common however.



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New Super Mario Bros Wii didn't have a bundle. No reason for it.

Ail you've got it backwards. There are x many people in Japan who will buy a system for a game. Going by the Spring PS3 baseline, 45,000 of those people bought a PS3 for the FFXIII demo - but I think a substantial portion of the FFXIII fan base wasn't on PS3 yet, and many took the demo as a signal saying "get on board, its coming soon". The people who bought in the wake of the demo signal aren't going to be buying a PS3 again unless they sold their system or something. The success of the demo indicates the game will perform well, but the demo has almost the opposite impact on hardware, since many people bought a PS3 to play that demo and kept it.

In Japan, the Final Fantasy XIII fanbase won't be substantially more than 2.0m, if that. Even if the system did lift to 250,000 or something week one and never impacted PS3 hw again it would mean 1750/2000 of eventual FFXIII fans already owned a PS3. By percentage I actually think more Final Fantasy XIII fans than that own a PS3 in Japan, probably closer to 95% , which is why Square-Enix isn't worried about the performance of the game. If it performs anything like previous front-loaded games on PS3, week two may only be 15% of week one. Hardware won't fall that much of course, but that is because the PS3 baseline for the holidays is in decent territory already.

Since the demo launch, the PS3 base has grown about 900,000 and many of those purchases, about a two thirds, came when PS3 was cheaper and when FFXIII had an official launch date. So the overwhelming majority of the Final Fantasy base has to be on PS3 already, given that the title has been announced for PS3 since before it launched. Even a 60,000 lift from one game is actually quite enormous given that hundreds are available for each platform. PS3 has a 4m base in Japan. If it had 400 games, you could argue an average game convinces 10,000 people to buy PS3s even with hundreds of others available. I don't know that FFXIII is six times better than 'an average PS3 game' so a 60,000 lift is quite big and expecting anything more, when some of the baseline for PS3 is already being influenced by FFXIII purchasers is over the top I think.

 



People are difficult to govern because they have too much knowledge.

When there are more laws, there are more criminals.

- Lao Tzu

I gotta say Wii sales were a tad higher than I would thought they'd be. Well done Wii

Now can the rest of the world get 899,000 to make the million? Hopefully we'll see tomorrow.

Good to see PS3 still on a steady rise without any amazing software.

 

Edit to correct my mathematical brain freeze.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

PokéPark Wii is the most surprising software this week. Selling 60k but was released on a Saturday. Could this be a sleeper hit? I think so.

I'm glad that something is moving in Japan. Adding Tales of Graces and, of course, FF13, Japanese gaming won't look that bad actually.



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TheSource said:

New Super Mario Bros Wii didn't have a bundle. No reason for it.

Ail you've got it backwards. There are x many people in Japan who will buy a system for a game. Going by the Spring PS3 baseline, 45,000 of those people bought a PS3 for the FFXIII demo - but I think a substantial portion of the FFXIII fan base wasn't on PS3 yet, and many took the demo as a signal saying "get on board, its coming soon". The people who bought in the wake of the demo signal aren't going to be buying a PS3 again unless they sold their system or something. The success of the demo indicates the game will perform well, but the demo has almost the opposite impact on hardware, since many people bought a PS3 to play that demo and kept it.

In Japan, the Final Fantasy XIII fanbase won't be substantially more than 2.0m, if that. Even if the system did lift to 250,000 or something week one and never impacted PS3 hw again it would mean 1750/2000 of eventual FFXIII fans already owned a PS3. By percentage I actually think more Final Fantasy XIII fans than that own a PS3 in Japan, probably closer to 95% , which is why Square-Enix isn't worried about the performance of the game. If it performs anything like previous front-loaded games on PS3, week two may only be 15% of week one. Hardware won't fall that much of course, but that is because the PS3 baseline for the holidays is in decent territory already.

Since the demo launch, the PS3 base has grown about 900,000 and many of those purchases, about a two thirds, came when PS3 was cheaper and when FFXIII had an official launch date. So the overwhelming majority of the Final Fantasy base has to be on PS3 already, given that the title has been announced for PS3 since before it launched. Even a 60,000 lift from one game is actually quite enormous given that hundreds are available for each platform. PS3 has a 4m base in Japan. If it had 400 games, you could argue an average game convinces 10,000 people to buy PS3s even with hundreds of others available. I don't know that FFXIII is six times better than 'an average PS3 game' so a 60,000 lift is quite big and expecting anything more, when some of the baseline for PS3 is already being influenced by FFXIII purchasers is over the top I think.

 

So you are saying that FFXIII week will see PS3 rise only to 100k? - 130k ?

Btw i here is a thread where ioi had made few prediction... in which he expects Wii to hit 255k in last week of Dec (which is like x-mas week for japanese). So do u think Wii can hit 255k? btw he also expected Wii to hit 155k for NSMB week.. but the result is showing its Wii is managing just 100k..

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=88468&page=1

Will like to know wot r ur views on these predictions by ioi n ZorroX.. n wot is ur prediction for PS3 reaching 5m in Japan first or Wii reaching 10m in Japan first?



TheSource said:

New Super Mario Bros Wii didn't have a bundle. No reason for it.

Ail you've got it backwards. There are x many people in Japan who will buy a system for a game. Going by the Spring PS3 baseline, 45,000 of those people bought a PS3 for the FFXIII demo - but I think a substantial portion of the FFXIII fan base wasn't on PS3 yet, and many took the demo as a signal saying "get on board, its coming soon". The people who bought in the wake of the demo signal aren't going to be buying a PS3 again unless they sold their system or something. The success of the demo indicates the game will perform well, but the demo has almost the opposite impact on hardware, since many people bought a PS3 to play that demo and kept it.

In Japan, the Final Fantasy XIII fanbase won't be substantially more than 2.0m, if that. Even if the system did lift to 250,000 or something week one and never impacted PS3 hw again it would mean 1750/2000 of eventual FFXIII fans already owned a PS3. By percentage I actually think more Final Fantasy XIII fans than that own a PS3 in Japan, probably closer to 95% , which is why Square-Enix isn't worried about the performance of the game. If it performs anything like previous front-loaded games on PS3, week two may only be 15% of week one. Hardware won't fall that much of course, but that is because the PS3 baseline for the holidays is in decent territory already.

Since the demo launch, the PS3 base has grown about 900,000 and many of those purchases, about a two thirds, came when PS3 was cheaper and when FFXIII had an official launch date. So the overwhelming majority of the Final Fantasy base has to be on PS3 already, given that the title has been announced for PS3 since before it launched. Even a 60,000 lift from one game is actually quite enormous given that hundreds are available for each platform. PS3 has a 4m base in Japan. If it had 400 games, you could argue an average game convinces 10,000 people to buy PS3s even with hundreds of others available. I don't know that FFXIII is six times better than 'an average PS3 game' so a 60,000 lift is quite big and expecting anything more, when some of the baseline for PS3 is already being influenced by FFXIII purchasers is over the top I think.

 

I think you wrong on your analyse.

You have to take in account the fact that a lot of playstation owners have waiting for a good reason to shift to the HD generation.

A lot of them don't see before the release of FFXIII the reason for that.

Now, with FFXIII in sight, GT5 3 months later, a lot of RPG coming on the PS3, plus the multimedia capability of the ps3 (BD inside), plus the slim factor, plus the prize cut, and finally the new year factor, we have a lot of clues to think that the market will change of leader.

The end of '09 will be the first proof of that change, the wii for the first time ever will lost is first place on a whole year in one of the biggest market.

i know for some of wii fans it can't be true, but look at the trend since the beginning of the year, the small increase of the wii since the prize cut and the small increase of the NSMB.

The war has change, now.



trestres said:
Netyaroze said:
If its just a little over 100k it wont be enough for the Wii to "win" this christmas . FF13 boost will be bigger. It could happen that PS3 2009 Japan>Wii 2009 Japan and that would be massive. I never heard of a third place console which managed to outsell for a year the leader in one region. Has Saturn ever outsold Playstation 1 in Japan ? The NSMBWII boost have to have big legs so Japan will fall to Wii.


I think he is Crazzyman.

 

 

Lol ? You think that really ? Because of what ? Because I think FF 13 will sell many consoles ? I was surprised by the FF13 Demo boost the PS3 was around 10k before that week.

I remember you explained ioi that you believe ZorroX is crazzyman. I thought you are probably wrong, because I heard he made crazy predictions and ZorroX was pretty calm in my eyes. But then it was really him. But this time, I know you are wrong this makes up for the right guess the last time. 

And not to forget I wrote maybe a dozen times that the videogame market is unpredictable for everyone, some may have the right feeling for the market but noone can predict the outcome for sure. And I said that it could be that it wont happen. I dont have a real reason to believe it would sell this much consoles in Japan but I see it as an option which could become the truth and I hope it will happen because I think the PS3 deserves a minimum success.  I would be glad if it would sell 200k plus. Maybe 250k was really a little high but then again this generation happened so much things I considered as highly unlikely. We just have to wait and see.

I just see this combination of the right Price plus the biggest PS3 Titel in Japan plus the right time plus the high demand which was held back by the high price until September. 

And because of the Prediciton PS3 will win I made this with my first post. I had absolutely NO Clue about the market. I just begun to shwo interest in the theme. Because I pretty much quited gaming in the past generation and bought me a PS3 mainly due to Bluray but I was catching fire pretty quickly for the console so I started to read some forums about the PS3 and I was totaly hyped as I wrote this prediction which ofcourse will fail. But this time I saw it like this. Ps1 was succesful PS2 was succesful. PS3 is better then PS2 so it was clear for me that it will win I was just pretty green at that time.

 

And to my english I know it isnt the best but Infact I dont use it. I speak 2 other languages perfectly and what you see here is basically just what I have learned in school. What have you learned in school ? French Latin Spanish. Give me a sample I am just curios. 

You should stop insulting me because thats an insult for me I am no man which has the time and spends countless hours in a random online community with trolling. 

 

I just like the PS3 infact its the first time I like Sony this much believe it or not i am a console opportunist I was my whole life a strong Nintendo supporter and i was just disappointed as the Wii released. Thats all. Believe what ever you want. 

 

 

 

 



Nice sales for NSMBWii!

Samurai Warriores 3 did well too.

DQIX and MH3 are sinking!



@bet-ON hahahaha. You do realise that with the current trends, that'd take many years to happen, right? Even in Japan only, Wii has 2x the PS3 userbase!