I don't think that's true. I don't think every multiplayer game on PC forces you to use dedicated servers. I think that CoD is one of the biggest franchises on PC, and continuing this little tif with IW benefits no one.

I'd be interested in a list of games which have multiplayer games hosted by the players themselves. Also continuing this little tif will hopefully have the effect of dicouraging any future developers from making the mistake that IW did. Then again maybe that's just too much to hope for.

Also I don't think people understand what this means. It's not that an ISP will disconnect you, but the fact that if you have ever hosted a P2P game and you are discontent with them or you get in an argument with you they can use this as a way to terminate your contract and charge you any termination fees.

I already said it but I will repeat myself

Every single time you use torrent, you violate the ToS, none of you ever had any problem with that.........

So stop the crying out over peer to peer gaming violating ToS.......

Every single time you download a new World of Warcraft patch you violate your ToS too as the patch downloader is based on peer to peer...

As for games that allows the player to host the server, why not start with CoD4 ? Because you can host  a dedicated server on CoD4...( which is against your ToS too).

You know, there are a lot of people on their consoles who haven't torrented anythng. Them playing, or at least hosting, P2P games automatically violates the ToS.

Exactly which is why crying over peer to peer is really stupid...

The main reason most ISP have this in their ToS is because they want to limit upload as huge upload can have a strain on their network......

I understand, but the fact still remains that if you ever got into an argument with them they always have the upper hand.

I assume the box clearly talks about multi-player online play.  It is representing certain expectations for use of the product.  Failure to meet those expectations by being incompatible with many ISPs is legal grounds for return.  That said, even without any legal basis, many merchants will accept a return, especially if you have a good history with the retailer.

However, it's moot for most people anyways.  If you read those licenses, at best many of them are ambiguous and require written clarification from the ISP.  Do you really think that many ISPs are going to refuse one of the most popular games to be played on their network, when it's easy to switch ISPs, and there are plent of sane ISPs out there.

But the product meets those expectations. You can, in fact, take the game online and play it there, just like they say you can. The fact that your (not their) separate contract with a third-party may not permit this use is not Activision's problem. That's what I'm getting at: yes there's something that stops you from using the complete product, but: 1) that something is not the law (contracts are legally enforceable, but they are not the law) and 2) that something has nothing to do with Activision.

In the end though, this whole discussion is academic, as you said. But I live off this stuff, so I'm enjoying it. We can cover the contract interpretation portion next if you want; you'll be surprised to hear that the issue isn't anywhere near as cut-and-dried as you think it is...

Coolest game ever !!!

I just love it...

I don't think that they're attacking Modern Warfare 2, so much as pointing out that P2P using games are violating ISP's ToS