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RageBot said:
jarrod said:
RageBot said:
Cobretti2 said:
RageBot said:
Cobretti2 said:
RageBot said:
Well...

I don't think so.

FF sells because of, what Malstrom calls "spectacle" - big production values and story.

It's pointless do detract from the game the main things that sell it, and, sorry, but the Wii crowd proved that they care about gameplay, not graphics, soundtrack or story.

Porting FF from HD to Wii makes as much sense as porting Wii sports to the current HD consoles (without the motion controllers).


wrong. Wii owners care about gameplay, soundtrack and story, NOT graphics. is how it should of been written.


reaver_x said:
porting to the wii?? very bad idea. most 3rd party games sell like shit on the Wii putting FFXIII there would be suicide and they know it


keyword here being MOST. but ALL that most is either nichie or total garbage games.

FFXIII would beone of those that would sell. Just wait for DQX. you will see how well that sells (assuming SE dont move it again).


Nope, you're wrong :)

If most Wii owners would've cared for these things, they wouldn't have bought a Wii, after all, how can... well, a console with no game that is popular because of it's story compare to a console with MGS4, FF13, Valkyria Chronicles etc.

Pepole buy Wii because they want GAMEPLAY, don't fool yourself.

story does not always equal watching multiple 10min plus long movies. Most nintendo core games do have a story to tell. This is what the core audience want.

Just because the wii has a big userbase doesn't mean we are all core gamers. The core 3rd party games don't sell because most lack gameplay and story. It is that simple.


Story also doesn't count for having no Story, like Wii sports/resort, play, fit or fit plus, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy or Brawl.

The only "core" Nintendo games that have a story are Zelda and Metroid, and guess what? Metroid Prime  3 sold a little bit more than HALF of what MP1 sold, on a console with two times and a half of the userbase, the difference between Zelda WW and TP is also small enough to prove your point wrong.

Again, MOST Wii owners don't care about the story in their games, if they would, they would buy the other consoles, with games that are CONFIRMED to have better story than most of everything the Wii has, instead of waiting YEARS for a game with a good story.

Er, have you actually played Mario Galaxy?  It's the most storyline focused Mario game yet, and easily comparable to any other story-heavy platformer.  Brawl has an insane/complex narrative running through it actually, with tons of high end CG and was written by the guy (Nojima) who did scenarios for FFVII, FFVIII, FFX, FFX-2, Crisis Core and the entire Kingdom Hearts series.

Zelda TP massively outsold TWW too, it's actually the 2nd best selling game in the series if you combine SKUs.  And then there's other "story-focused" Nintendo series that sold better on Wii than GC, like Paper Mario, Animal Crossing or Fire Emblem.  Hell, even Metroid Prime 3 outsold 2 by a decent margin.


I don't really see your point... does GT3 being one of PS2's best selling game mean PS2 owners didn't care about story?  Since MGS4 didn't outsell MGS2, does that mean PS3 owners don't care about story?


Err, are you serious? So SMG is the most story focused ever, that doesn't mean anything, it means that the story is more focused than "Bowser kidnapped peach, Mario rescues her", I also don't compare it to platformers, but if I would, I would probably compare it to Ratchet, you see? No comparison.
And do you truly call Brawl's narrative "complex/insane"? Are you kidding me? I've seen the entire single player story of the game, it SUCKS. please don't tell me that you compare it to MGS.
Also, the fact that the scenario writer wrote gaems with better story doesn't mean anything as well, the fact that someone did something (or a lot of things) good, deosn't mean that anything he does is good, look at the soundtracks for Secret of Mana and Kingdom Hearts, Chrono Cross and Shadow Hearts 2, see? Once again, a mot point.

And if Zelda WW was released on the PS2 and Xbox it would've out sold Ocarina of Time on the comibned SKUs, once again. And man... do you consider Animal Crossing "story-focused"? About MP2-3: Yes, it outsold it by a significant margin, however, not close to be on par with the difference in userbase between the GC->Wii.


No, GT doesn't, but the best selling games on the PS2 also have MGS2 and 3, FF10 and 12, and LoL, if you consider userbases when you look at MGS and 4, you see that MGS4 has a MUCH better attach rate than MGS2.

Once again, I don't say that all Wii owners don't care about these things, or that all PS3 users do care, but when you look at the importance of a stoy to each consoles userbase, the difference in precentage between the two is ASTOUNDING.

 

Ratio arguments inherently favor smaller userbases.  The Wind Waker has a better attach rate than any of the PS2 games you mentioned (GTA, MGS, FF, etc)... so you think GC owners cared more about story than PS2 owners?  

Galaxy even has an entire "Little Prince" inspired substory.  And yes, it's better than anything in the soulless semi-annual Poochiesque R&C retreads.  Brawl's story does suck, which is probably the only thing really comparable about it and Kojima's indulgent "masterpiece".  I guess that's what you get when you hire the Kingdom Hearts scenario writer.  But hey, a sucky story is still a story and not "no story".



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DS has RPGs that can sell 4m+. I guess DS owners care more about "story" than PS3 or 360 owners (combined).

Maybe Square should port FFXIII to DS?



@Ragebot


your going to tell me what I like in games now do you?

you mentioned zelda and metroid being story focused. Well guess what zelda sold over 5 million on Wii (plus a a couple or so on GCN). So a final fantasy main stream game which in some respect is similar sorta game would sell just as well.

your telling me 5million sales is something not worth justifying?



 

 

Soriku said:
RageBot said:

Story also doesn't count for having no Story, like Wii sports/resort, play, fit or fit plus, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy or Brawl.

The only "core" Nintendo games that have a story are Zelda and Metroid, and guess what? Metroid Prime  3 sold a little bit more than HALF of what MP1 sold, on a console with two times and a half of the userbase, the difference between Zelda WW and TP is also small enough to prove your point wrong.

Again, MOST Wii owners don't care about the story in their games, if they would, they would buy the other consoles, with games that are CONFIRMED to have better story than most of everything the Wii has, instead of waiting YEARS for a game with a good story.


Wait...what? And HD owners suddenly do? Have you taken a look at some of the best selling HD games? Are Modern Warfare, Halo, GTA, Gears etc. what you call 'story heavy' games?

FF is a JRPG and no JRPG this gen has even hit 1 mil yet.

Face it, most of the big games on consoles aren't story heavy. Look at the DS too - most of its big games are casual but it can sell plenty story heavy games fine.

There is a higher precentage of HD owners who care about story in their games, than Wii owners.

A much higher precentage, as you can see in the difference between Valkyria Chronicles and Fire Emblem 9 (I think that's the new one, right?).

And as will be evident in the difference between ToG and ToV.

 

AND @coberati:

That's why I said MOST, not all.



Bet with Dr.A.Peter.Nintendo that Super Mario Galaxy 2 won't sell 15 million copies up to six months after it's release, the winner will get Avatar control for a week and signature control for a month.

RageBot said:
Soriku said:
RageBot said:

Story also doesn't count for having no Story, like Wii sports/resort, play, fit or fit plus, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy or Brawl.

The only "core" Nintendo games that have a story are Zelda and Metroid, and guess what? Metroid Prime  3 sold a little bit more than HALF of what MP1 sold, on a console with two times and a half of the userbase, the difference between Zelda WW and TP is also small enough to prove your point wrong.

Again, MOST Wii owners don't care about the story in their games, if they would, they would buy the other consoles, with games that are CONFIRMED to have better story than most of everything the Wii has, instead of waiting YEARS for a game with a good story.


Wait...what? And HD owners suddenly do? Have you taken a look at some of the best selling HD games? Are Modern Warfare, Halo, GTA, Gears etc. what you call 'story heavy' games?

FF is a JRPG and no JRPG this gen has even hit 1 mil yet.

Face it, most of the big games on consoles aren't story heavy. Look at the DS too - most of its big games are casual but it can sell plenty story heavy games fine.

There is a higher precentage of HD owners who care about story in their games, than Wii owners.

A much higher precentage, as you can see in the difference between Valkyria Chronicles and Fire Emblem 9 (I think that's the new one, right?).

And as will be evident in the difference between ToG and ToV.

Valkyria's budget undoubtedly dwarfed Radiant Dawn.  It's also way more casual friendly and far, far easier then FE.  And it also got budget priced within a year of release. 

The shitty, offbrand Symphonia spinoff sold about as well as Vesperia 360.  Twilight Princess each vastly outsold any PS360 ARPG (even Oblivion and Fallout 3).  Square Enix's best selling console RPG so far this gen is on Wii (DQ Swords).  Cherrypicking is FUN.



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^You guys, forgot another example of story heavy games on Wii, it's World of Goo. No joke here. The game got satirical, deep and atmospheric narrative, cleverly presented and supplemented with the whole quirky aesthetics of the game. Another good thing about it - you could easily skip it and still enjoy the game. For instance, FF games haven't got anything to counter WoG in story department.



Having played Final Fantasy XIII, I would be EXTREMELY suprised if they could bring it to the Wii.

But if they can, then hey why not? More people get to play it, and sales skyrocket EVEN more. But, I mean, since Japan is the main domain for Final Fantasy, they should have had a simultaneous PS3, Wii release in Japan.



I didn't have a ps2, so I would be glad if they release ps2's final fantasies to wii :D



KylieDog said:
Khuutra said:
Avarice28 said:

Edit: I really think that Square believes there is no market for their games (casuals) and this is why you will probably not see any main series game from Square on the Wii.

So have you never heard of Dragon Quest, or....

DQ is big in Japan, FF Japan and the West.  West Wii market is very different to Japanese one.  Keeping FF on the HD consoles (or at least PS3) ensures big sales for worldwide.  I think western Wii markets have proven they don't care for most core games multiple times over, so is a large risk.

Even ignoring everything about this post that I desperately want to argue with (including Nintendo pushing DQX in the West) -

You do realize I was only responding to the clause "this is why you will probably not see any main series game from Square on the Wii," right? Because Dragon Quest X is a main series game, and it's on the Wii?



NOW THIS is a good idea

they should release FF10 & FF12 on wii, remastered



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