Obviously common sense has to play a factor here. People shouldn't go out of their way and hamper their own lives for another religion. On the other hand, most of what you described is either anecdotal or fine in my eyes.

Some people that must deal with this issues on a frequent basis don't think that this is "anecdotal or fine", surely.

The French Muslims had a pretty damned good reason to revolt. The unemployment rate and bigotry toward them was stifling the community.

Can you tell me where did this bigotry come from? I can tell you that it is mere racism, sometimes, but NOT ALWAYS. Why does this seem to happen only with Muslims? Don't you think that their peculiar attitude towards the "recipient" country has something to do?

And bringing up what a Christian can do in a Muslim country is a deflection of the argument. The US openly admitted to torture and we were lambasted by the Western world for it and for good reason... many people used the excuse "well, they torture our troops so it's only fair". The point is to rise above intolerance and unethical practices, not to accept them because your enemy (or in this case, a religious state) openly practices it.

People love to point out how screwed up the USA is at times (and it is) but I wouldn't trade our set-in-stone laws regarding speech and religion for anything.

First off, I wasn't talking about the USA and its issues with terrorism and so on.

"Deflection of the argument"... Nope, sir We're talking about how we treat each other and I'm just pointing out that their culture is intolerant enough to demand others what they don't even do in their countries.

...... too many people think that religious freedom = allow EVERYTHING. Isn't that the whole point in freedom?

Freedom also consists in the respect for the other's freedom, remember? If you don't respect my freedom, what happens with mine?

.......why the major problems are related to Islamism. Bin Laden bankrupted the banks?

well........... we are talking about religious issues, aren't we? That sentence was pointing to the context.

The truth is that Muslims are difficult people to deal with. .... they generally tend to practice (in a more or less aggressive way). No, they're actually not difficult to deal with. Don't offend Mohammed and they are actually extremely reasonable.

If that's your personal experience, I'm glad of it. It's a shame that this isn't the same in other cases.

.....they don't care if the new country has a different culture or religion. Are they supposed to convert?

Nope, they are just supposed to respect. Isn't it easy? Don't change my words, that's ridiculous.

There are more cases in France or in Spain (as far as I know) where Islamics don't respect the rules about noise levels. I'm woken by church bells every Sunday morning on the hour. I wish them Christians would respect noise levels.

I agree with you, but does this make minarets better?

.......and healthiness at their houses or worship places.  Now that's just rude.

That's not rude! I'm not talking about personal hygiene or something like that, I'm speaking about the fact that sometimes they do sacrifices or cook without having a special permission.

In some other towns, they asked the local authorities to close the swimming pools to the general public, one day a week, for their women to take a bath. Probably because the pool will make extra money. Take a bath? Are you sure they didn't go there to have a swim?

Nah, to take a bath sounds classier.

On the other hand, as a Christian you can't go to a Muslim country and openly profess your faith, in most of the cases. No, that's not true, most majority-muslim countries have a christian population too. Some might not allow churches but I don't see many mosques in the holy see either and their are only FOUR minarets in Switzerland.

I personally know cases of people living their faith in secret.

Yes, Muslims MUST have their freedom, but so does the other people.

Kasz216 said:

You don't get a freedom to avoid cultures you don't like. That's just stupid.
Which seems to be your only issue.

Did I say that I want to avoid other cultures? That's just stupid.

The Muslim call to prayer is no different then a number of other things that are well respected... if it bothers you... get better insulation for your house or apartment.

Is this your better advice? Aren't we supposed to respect each other?

Also... nobody actually uses minarets for that anymore. They've got loudspeakers now. Those will work just as well on the roof then on a little minaret.

I know. I'm speaking about noise, I don't care the source.

And hey, what's your problem? I'm not attacking anyone, here, but your post is clearly aggressive.

Your being incredibly intolerant.  You are attacking a culture for... well stupid reasons.  None of your active rights are being infringed nor is anyone disrespecting you.

Active rights trump Passive wishes.

You don't have a "right" to not have to listen to muslim stuff... period.

You're not replying what I say, actually. Despite my efforts of being kind, you're just sticking to your rude attitude towards me, while I was civilly discussing here. Nobody else, but you, is talking to me like that.

You call me intolerant but you show no tolerance for me, and that makes you a hypocrite.

Period?