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Avinash_Tyagi on 29 November 2009
atma998 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Soleron said:
What matters really is whether Sony can be profitable. If they can't, then it doesn't matter whether they beat the Wii in sales and have hundreds of exclusives - they won't do a new Playstation.

hahaha

people still believe in that


  They'll do one more, announced in 2011-2012, but if they keep losing money like they've been doing, the company itself may not be around by the time the gen after that comes around


True, I don't see any division of a company making huge losses and keeping doing it for more than 5 years. If the PS3 doesnt become profitable in the next 2 years, then Sony will have no choice but to close their gaming division. This is only basic logic.


  Its not just video games though, Sony is losing money almost across the board, and that is why they don't want to cut in 2010, because they are hoping to pull out of the red by late FY 2010, early FY 2011, but if they have to engage in price wars, it won't be good for their bottom line



 

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DirtyP2002 on 29 November 2009
Euphoria14 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CGI-Quality said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe I just read that MS should be scared because of the black friday sales. There were 75k more PS3 sold than Xbox360... Oh no Xbox360 is doomed! (Remember there is still a 9 million gap in the US)

I think it is impressive for a console in its fifth year to sell 325k consoles @ black friday. Besides that, they won on the software front. Assassins Creed II, Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 all on the X360 were the big winners.

But anyway, Sony has still GT5 to make its debut for this gen. This and God of War III are the last big IPs Sony has for this gen.

MS will release Natal and advertise the hell out of it. I say we might see a $200 or $250 Elite with Natal this time next year. (I still hope that Alan Wake will be a great success, but thats just me :D) 

This gen is basically:

Wii Owns! But that's boring so we check MS vs Sony:

Xbox 360 rules America
Xbox 360 rules UK / scandinavia / Australia

PS3 rules Japan
PS3 rules continental Europe

Just by looking at these markets it is easy to say that the difference in sales won't be huge at all. They will end up more or less with the same amount of consoles. Maybe a 5 million difference (like 55 vs 60 million), but there is no publisher / developer that can afford to drop a 50 million userbase just for the fuck of it.

You conveniently missed the point. The Xbox 360 is $100 cheaper than the PS3, yet was outsold by it, in it's biggest territory, by 100,000 units or more according to the early leak.

Unless Microsoft drops the $199 Arcade down by $100 next year, or unless Natal is a huge success, they have something to consider worrying about. Let's step out of preferences for a second and think logically here for a moment.

Okay, you are probably right. The Xbox 360 is doomed.

Well to the early leak it might be less than 100k, like 75 or less.

Straigth from the article:

"PS3 sold nearly 400,000 units during the week"
"Around 325,000 Xbox 360s were sold"

So a 70k - 75k difference @ black friday... two months after the price cut and the redesign / relaunch of the PS3. I


There is no reason for MS to be worried about. The sales of the Xbox360 are very decent for a console in its fifth year. There is no chance in hell that the PS3 will catch up to the Xbox 360 in NA. Yeah there is a $50 / $100 price difference, so what? The Xbox 360 will always be cheaper than the PS3. This has been the same situation since this gen started. The point is that MS makes money with the cheaper console and Sony loses money with the more expensive one.

Next year, after the more than likley price cut and after the release of Natal, Sony is forced to make a very hard choice again. Should they cut the price again (and continue to make losses) or should they try not to lose more than $250 million every 3 months (that was their BEST result for the PS3 I think) for the very first time.

Actually I think MS has Sony at the balls.

But all this is not interesting for us, the gamers. Both consoles will see major 3rd party support for the rest of the generation.

That news post has been updated. This is an edit from the PS3 portion.

Edit - with more data coming in, it looks like PS3 could actually be as high as 450,000 for the week once all is said and done.

So it may end up being 125k more, not 75k.


and it still won't matter at all.



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Euphoria14 on 29 November 2009
DirtyP2002 said:
Euphoria14 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CGI-Quality said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe I just read that MS should be scared because of the black friday sales. There were 75k more PS3 sold than Xbox360... Oh no Xbox360 is doomed! (Remember there is still a 9 million gap in the US)

I think it is impressive for a console in its fifth year to sell 325k consoles @ black friday. Besides that, they won on the software front. Assassins Creed II, Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 all on the X360 were the big winners.

But anyway, Sony has still GT5 to make its debut for this gen. This and God of War III are the last big IPs Sony has for this gen.

MS will release Natal and advertise the hell out of it. I say we might see a $200 or $250 Elite with Natal this time next year. (I still hope that Alan Wake will be a great success, but thats just me :D) 

This gen is basically:

Wii Owns! But that's boring so we check MS vs Sony:

Xbox 360 rules America
Xbox 360 rules UK / scandinavia / Australia

PS3 rules Japan
PS3 rules continental Europe

Just by looking at these markets it is easy to say that the difference in sales won't be huge at all. They will end up more or less with the same amount of consoles. Maybe a 5 million difference (like 55 vs 60 million), but there is no publisher / developer that can afford to drop a 50 million userbase just for the fuck of it.

You conveniently missed the point. The Xbox 360 is $100 cheaper than the PS3, yet was outsold by it, in it's biggest territory, by 100,000 units or more according to the early leak.

Unless Microsoft drops the $199 Arcade down by $100 next year, or unless Natal is a huge success, they have something to consider worrying about. Let's step out of preferences for a second and think logically here for a moment.

Okay, you are probably right. The Xbox 360 is doomed.

Well to the early leak it might be less than 100k, like 75 or less.

Straigth from the article:

"PS3 sold nearly 400,000 units during the week"
"Around 325,000 Xbox 360s were sold"

So a 70k - 75k difference @ black friday... two months after the price cut and the redesign / relaunch of the PS3. I


There is no reason for MS to be worried about. The sales of the Xbox360 are very decent for a console in its fifth year. There is no chance in hell that the PS3 will catch up to the Xbox 360 in NA. Yeah there is a $50 / $100 price difference, so what? The Xbox 360 will always be cheaper than the PS3. This has been the same situation since this gen started. The point is that MS makes money with the cheaper console and Sony loses money with the more expensive one.

Next year, after the more than likley price cut and after the release of Natal, Sony is forced to make a very hard choice again. Should they cut the price again (and continue to make losses) or should they try not to lose more than $250 million every 3 months (that was their BEST result for the PS3 I think) for the very first time.

Actually I think MS has Sony at the balls.

But all this is not interesting for us, the gamers. Both consoles will see major 3rd party support for the rest of the generation.

That news post has been updated. This is an edit from the PS3 portion.

Edit - with more data coming in, it looks like PS3 could actually be as high as 450,000 for the week once all is said and done.

So it may end up being 125k more, not 75k.


and it still won't matter at all.

You don't know this at all.

I doubt getting outsold on Black Friday for the first time this generation, not to mention by 125k+ and a possible 200k+ WW qualifies as "won't matter at all".

Maybe they won't catch them in NA, but unfortunately NA =/= The World. Sony leads in Japan and possibly after this week or next Sony will take the lead in Others as well.

When you've lost 2 territories an are now losing on your home turf, it isn't a good thing at all.

 

You are also assuming Natal will be a game changer. We haven't even seen any software for it yet.

 

Give credit where it's due. It's not that hard.



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FonzGemini on 29 November 2009

Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.



loves2splooge on 29 November 2009

I think both MS and Sony should focus on working towards profitability as opposed to razor and blades. Winning a numbers war isn't everything. The Xbox 360 and PS3 are at a point right now where they both have long, healthy futures ahead of them. They aren't in danger of losing third-party support and they're both putting out quality first-party titles. What's the problem? There's no problem. Fighting for 2nd place isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things so as long as their userbases keep getting the goods. Hence there's no need for a price cut.

Both MS and Sony have to do what they need to do and deliver a profit to their shareholders like any other responsible corporation instead of focusing on the fanboy bread and circus that is the console war numbers game.

I predict that there won't be a new price cut for a long while. Seeing as how the Xbox 360 is cheaper to make than a PS3 (no Blu-Ray, no Wi-Fi, more cost efficient processor than teh C3ll), they'll probably be the first to do it though. If Sony wants to get into the price matching game, they are living dangerously. Because whenever Sony price matches MS, they're going to be forced to bleed. If I'm a Sony stockholder, I wouldn't want Sony to be behaving so irresponsibly with money.



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DirtyP2002 on 29 November 2009
Euphoria14 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Euphoria14 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CGI-Quality said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe I just read that MS should be scared because of the black friday sales. There were 75k more PS3 sold than Xbox360... Oh no Xbox360 is doomed! (Remember there is still a 9 million gap in the US)

I think it is impressive for a console in its fifth year to sell 325k consoles @ black friday. Besides that, they won on the software front. Assassins Creed II, Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 all on the X360 were the big winners.

But anyway, Sony has still GT5 to make its debut for this gen. This and God of War III are the last big IPs Sony has for this gen.

MS will release Natal and advertise the hell out of it. I say we might see a $200 or $250 Elite with Natal this time next year. (I still hope that Alan Wake will be a great success, but thats just me :D) 

This gen is basically:

Wii Owns! But that's boring so we check MS vs Sony:

Xbox 360 rules America
Xbox 360 rules UK / scandinavia / Australia

PS3 rules Japan
PS3 rules continental Europe

Just by looking at these markets it is easy to say that the difference in sales won't be huge at all. They will end up more or less with the same amount of consoles. Maybe a 5 million difference (like 55 vs 60 million), but there is no publisher / developer that can afford to drop a 50 million userbase just for the fuck of it.

You conveniently missed the point. The Xbox 360 is $100 cheaper than the PS3, yet was outsold by it, in it's biggest territory, by 100,000 units or more according to the early leak.

Unless Microsoft drops the $199 Arcade down by $100 next year, or unless Natal is a huge success, they have something to consider worrying about. Let's step out of preferences for a second and think logically here for a moment.

Okay, you are probably right. The Xbox 360 is doomed.

Well to the early leak it might be less than 100k, like 75 or less.

Straigth from the article:

"PS3 sold nearly 400,000 units during the week"
"Around 325,000 Xbox 360s were sold"

So a 70k - 75k difference @ black friday... two months after the price cut and the redesign / relaunch of the PS3. I


There is no reason for MS to be worried about. The sales of the Xbox360 are very decent for a console in its fifth year. There is no chance in hell that the PS3 will catch up to the Xbox 360 in NA. Yeah there is a $50 / $100 price difference, so what? The Xbox 360 will always be cheaper than the PS3. This has been the same situation since this gen started. The point is that MS makes money with the cheaper console and Sony loses money with the more expensive one.

Next year, after the more than likley price cut and after the release of Natal, Sony is forced to make a very hard choice again. Should they cut the price again (and continue to make losses) or should they try not to lose more than $250 million every 3 months (that was their BEST result for the PS3 I think) for the very first time.

Actually I think MS has Sony at the balls.

But all this is not interesting for us, the gamers. Both consoles will see major 3rd party support for the rest of the generation.

That news post has been updated. This is an edit from the PS3 portion.

Edit - with more data coming in, it looks like PS3 could actually be as high as 450,000 for the week once all is said and done.

So it may end up being 125k more, not 75k.


and it still won't matter at all.

You don't know this at all.

I doubt getting outsold on Black Friday for the first time this generation, not to mention by 125k+ and a possible 200k+ WW qualifies as "won't matter at all".

Maybe they won't catch them in NA, but unfortunately NA =/= The World. Sony leads in Japan and possibly after this week or next Sony will take the lead in Others as well.

When you've lost 2 territories an are now losing on your home turf, it isn't a good thing at all.

 

You are also assuming Natal will be a game changer. We haven't even seen any software for it yet.

 

Give credit where it's due. It's not that hard.


Milo and Kate will be a retail-game

and @ CGI I don't takt shit personally at all. I just made a prediction about how this generation might end.

And I said that MS should not be worried about anything. They are profitable and they are head to head with Sony and the PS3 while they already lost billions with the PS3. Some people really need to see things in the right perspective. MS built a completly new brand (Xbox), caused their main competitor a lot of trouble, built an awesome Online service with more than 1 billion USD revenue / year and are profitable for this gen. Now they are getting outsold by 125k and all of a sudden they should be worried...

That is just not the right way to look at the things going on in this industry. Look at it from a macro-perspective to see what happened and who should be worried.

 



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Euphoria14 on 29 November 2009

That is 125k in ONLY 1 region. You seem to forget that Japan + Others exist as well. We may see a 200-250k week here.

360 has NEVER lost a Black Friday to the PS3. It is an accomplishment whether you wish to belittle it or not.

I heard Milo was just a scripted demo.

Sony is also set to be profitable next year on just the PS3. It has already been stated that the Playstation family as a whole is profitable,

Also, show me a link that shows the 360 Arcade is profitable.



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rocketpig on 29 November 2009
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.




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rocketpig on 29 November 2009
Euphoria14 said:
Also, show me a link that shows the 360 Arcade is profitable.

There is absolutely no way to establish whether it is or is not. No company breaks down profit models on individual SKUs like that.




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Euphoria14 on 29 November 2009
rocketpig said:
Euphoria14 said:
Also, show me a link that shows the 360 Arcade is profitable.

There is absolutely no way to establish whether it is or is not. No company breaks down profit models on individual SKUs like that.

Well then how can he sit here and make that claim?



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