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When a control scheme reads like you're sending morse code to the console, it has already failed IMO.



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Has MS ever confirmed if Natal requires to see/scan your entire body in order for it to work? I dont think i have enough living room space if i were to use it, nor those in like town houses.



libellule said:
JaggedSac said:
Natal will not work with the FPS genre or many other genres as we know them now. At least not without having a controller in hand. It will work fine for Myst style adventure games by using hand gestures such as swiping to turn and pulls and pushes to move forwards and backwards. Pickng up items would be done by reaching for and grabbing the item. It will also allow for complete 1:1 movement matching for a 30x30 ft space. So awesome games like Dodgeball could be made. Or a very robust excercise game. The feet, hands, arms, legs, waist are all mapped and able to be used. Need to jump to dodge the ball or leap over a pit, actually do it. This is a limitation for fat people and people who live in small spaces, but I tink it would be pretty neat. Controllerless gaming will definitely require a paradigm shift in how developers design games, but we could see some really neat stuff.


free natal bashing on

that is true : I play video games to play dodgeball games ...

I would rather play a bullet dodging game where I can dodge AND fire bullet

WAIT, it already exists and it is called an FPS ? and, guess what, the motion control version on Wii is "meh" ...

free natal bashing off

note : I still see your point ;)
and we all want to see those "dedicated" games

Why does Natal need to have an FPS game?  Or why do you need to use only Natal with an FPS game? 

And what is the issue with a dodgeball game?  I happen to think it would be friggen awesome.

 

World Championship Dodgeball

General Gameplay

Players will be able to control their onscreen counterpart via a complete 1:1 mapping of their environment and body to the games body and environment.  If the player moves forward and to the left 3 feet, the character onscreen moves forward and to the left 3 feet.  If the play jumps to the right, the character jumps to the right.  Natal supports an area of 20X20 if I recall, so that gives plenty of room for maneuvering.  This will not be a game for people with tiny living spaces.

Games will have the standard dodgeball rules.  Teams throw balls at the other teams in an attempt to hit them.  Once hit a player is out.  A player can be brought back into the game if a team member catches a ball thrown at him/her.  After all players on a team are hit, a point is awarded to the winning team.  After a configurable amount of points are earned, the game is won.  Balls must be caught with both hands, but can be thrown with one.  Only one ball at a time can be held.  Balls can be deflected using a ball that is currently being held.

It is called World Championship Dodgeball because, using Live's infrastructure, world championship tournaments can be held on a monthly basis.  Players compete in ranked matches with other players from their country in an attempt to make it onto their country's team.  Once the teams have been determined a tournament takes place on a specified and day of the month at a rotating time frame(so as to not always give the time advantage to one country).  Earlier matches in the tournament can be configured to have less play time so as to speed the tournament up.  Once the final matches are reached, the play time can be lengthened so as to make a more skill based game.

Any match during the tournament can be viewed by spectators.  Possibly showing their avatars in the stands, much like they do with 1 vs 100.  Perhaps avatar trophies or MS points can be awarded to the winning teams.

Configurable Gameplay

Environment options

The environment can be configured to change as the match rolls on in an attempt to speed it along.  Hazards will appear, such as holes in the floor, lava rivers(depending on the stage), low walls to force jumpming or high stepping, etc.  Perhaps the outer foot of the space keeps getting removed every 30 seconds or so to give the player less room to maneuver and dodge.

Power Ups

Power ups can either be thrown at or walk over to pick up.  They will be located on the players court and in the air between the two teams.  It will be risky to go try nd pick up a powerup because the opposing team will most likely be ready for you to attempt to get them and have a ball waiting for you when you get there.  Throwing a ball to get a power up can be risky as well since you could have attempted to get the other team out with it, or they could catch it more easily.

Shield - Can be activated on voice command.  Provides a 1 second invulnerability.

Fast ball - Ball thrown speeds are increased.

Fire ball - Cannot be caught, must be dodged.

Team mate revival - This will allow one of your team mates to rejoin the match.

Slow down - Ball for the other team are slowed down.

Environment change - This will cause something to happen to the other team's playing field.

There could be many more powerups to offer.

Stages

Stages can get really crazy.  A playing field could consist of only small ledges that must be stepped or jumped onto carefully.  Dodging balls at the same time as this could get quite interesting.  There would be the inevitable beach stage, lava stage, water stage, desert stage, space stage, forest stage, etc.  All offering different environmental hazards and power up sets.



Lean forward, or something. Walking in video games is overrated, though. Who needs it?



One thing is for certain. The control scheme for the games will be essential to success. And honestly, motion tracking can only do so much.

Walking/Running would just be odd if you actually had to do the motion for a game that wasn't for exercise.

I genuinely hope Natal developers can truly create a new genre with the technology, but I do not have my hopes set up too high.



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I havent read the all previous posts but I have to say that I think natal will betray its own concept cause it will probably use an add on (which it should not hence its controller free purpose) to play games as halo pretty much like re5 ps3 alternate edition using wand and dualshock3 (failed, too uncomfortable. at least it seems). I just dont see proper walking around happening with natal without something else same as with proper pointing. you might say I´m trolling but just look at e3 showing the painting with wand was precise but with natal they just waived their hands and threw the painting but you COULD NOT make drawings or accurate painting.



All I know is that to deploy a parachute in GTA and Just Cause you have to inflate your foreskin, which means girls can't use the parachute and that's just discriminating.



With the Burnout demo you put your right foot forward for gas and back for brake. So put your left foot forward to go forward , back to walk backward , hold your left arm out to turn left then touch your nose with your left hand to turn right. Put your left foot forward while your left arm out could walk and turn left. Put your hands together could reload your weapon.



Imagine if Uncharted 2 was on X360 and you have to use NATAL to play it.lol



JaggedSac said:
libellule said:
JaggedSac said:
Natal will not work with the FPS genre or many other genres as we know them now. At least not without having a controller in hand. It will work fine for Myst style adventure games by using hand gestures such as swiping to turn and pulls and pushes to move forwards and backwards. Pickng up items would be done by reaching for and grabbing the item. It will also allow for complete 1:1 movement matching for a 30x30 ft space. So awesome games like Dodgeball could be made. Or a very robust excercise game. The feet, hands, arms, legs, waist are all mapped and able to be used. Need to jump to dodge the ball or leap over a pit, actually do it. This is a limitation for fat people and people who live in small spaces, but I tink it would be pretty neat. Controllerless gaming will definitely require a paradigm shift in how developers design games, but we could see some really neat stuff.


free natal bashing on

that is true : I play video games to play dodgeball games ...

I would rather play a bullet dodging game where I can dodge AND fire bullet

WAIT, it already exists and it is called an FPS ? and, guess what, the motion control version on Wii is "meh" ...

free natal bashing off

note : I still see your point ;)
and we all want to see those "dedicated" games

Why does Natal need to have an FPS game?  Or why do you need to use only Natal with an FPS game? 

And what is the issue with a dodgeball game?  I happen to think it would be friggen awesome.

 

World Championship Dodgeball

General Gameplay

Players will be able to control their onscreen counterpart via a complete 1:1 mapping of their environment and body to the games body and environment.  If the player moves forward and to the left 3 feet, the character onscreen moves forward and to the left 3 feet.  If the play jumps to the right, the character jumps to the right.  Natal supports an area of 20X20 if I recall, so that gives plenty of room for maneuvering.  This will not be a game for people with tiny living spaces.

Games will have the standard dodgeball rules.  Teams throw balls at the other teams in an attempt to hit them.  Once hit a player is out.  A player can be brought back into the game if a team member catches a ball thrown at him/her.  After all players on a team are hit, a point is awarded to the winning team.  After a configurable amount of points are earned, the game is won.  Balls must be caught with both hands, but can be thrown with one.  Only one ball at a time can be held.  Balls can be deflected using a ball that is currently being held.

It is called World Championship Dodgeball because, using Live's infrastructure, world championship tournaments can be held on a monthly basis.  Players compete in ranked matches with other players from their country in an attempt to make it onto their country's team.  Once the teams have been determined a tournament takes place on a specified and day of the month at a rotating time frame(so as to not always give the time advantage to one country).  Earlier matches in the tournament can be configured to have less play time so as to speed the tournament up.  Once the final matches are reached, the play time can be lengthened so as to make a more skill based game.

Any match during the tournament can be viewed by spectators.  Possibly showing their avatars in the stands, much like they do with 1 vs 100.  Perhaps avatar trophies or MS points can be awarded to the winning teams.

Configurable Gameplay

Environment options

The environment can be configured to change as the match rolls on in an attempt to speed it along.  Hazards will appear, such as holes in the floor, lava rivers(depending on the stage), low walls to force jumpming or high stepping, etc.  Perhaps the outer foot of the space keeps getting removed every 30 seconds or so to give the player less room to maneuver and dodge.

Power Ups

Power ups can either be thrown at or walk over to pick up.  They will be located on the players court and in the air between the two teams.  It will be risky to go try nd pick up a powerup because the opposing team will most likely be ready for you to attempt to get them and have a ball waiting for you when you get there.  Throwing a ball to get a power up can be risky as well since you could have attempted to get the other team out with it, or they could catch it more easily.

Shield - Can be activated on voice command.  Provides a 1 second invulnerability.

Fast ball - Ball thrown speeds are increased.

Fire ball - Cannot be caught, must be dodged.

Team mate revival - This will allow one of your team mates to rejoin the match.

Slow down - Ball for the other team are slowed down.

Environment change - This will cause something to happen to the other team's playing field.

There could be many more powerups to offer.

Stages

Stages can get really crazy.  A playing field could consist of only small ledges that must be stepped or jumped onto carefully.  Dodging balls at the same time as this could get quite interesting.  There would be the inevitable beach stage, lava stage, water stage, desert stage, space stage, forest stage, etc.  All offering different environmental hazards and power up sets.

...

*lips tremble*