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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Boneitis said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^When you start with zero base, of course games will bomb, whose going to buy it?

Perhaps, but there are plenty of popular franchises that could be brought to Wii and pay off greatly, this is part of what Wii owners are saying when they say third parties aren't bringing their big games to Wii, the popular franchises aren't on Wii, or if they are its the leftover garbage port

That "zero userbase" would grow. If there was a Wii HD it could retain the audience of the current Wii through backwards compatibility, take a share of the current HD userbase, and get new fans through people who still haven't purchased any current gen console.

The problem is bringing HD games to the Wii isn't as easy or cheap as porting a Gamecube game to the Wii. Resident Evil 4 only had to sell a small amount to make a profit. Building quality games especially for the Wii would have to sell far more and that's a risk. Eitherway, most of the 3rd party software sales come from party games, exercise games, licensed kids games, and other wacky stuff like that. So why bring quality expensive games when we know they're likely to buy that stuff instead?

Anyhow, the point is porting games to a console of equal or superior specs as the current HD consoles is easier and cheaper than porting games to the current Wii.


  It would grow, but too slowly for most publishers and devs to devote resources.

RE4 Wii sold over 1.6 million, that's profitable for any Wii game.

Except most Exercise, party games and licensed games on the Wii flop, only a few have met commercial success, so its not a case of people buying garbage, perhaps those games had something they found fun.  But some core games and quality Nintendo titles have met with even greater success, indicating its people looking for fun and a quality experience that sells.

Why port then, create quality blockbusters from the ground up for the Wii, it would be cheaper to do so on the Wii anyways

How do you know how fast it would grow? The Wii is one of the fastest selling consoles ever.

You read that wrong. I'm saying Resident Evil 4 didn't have to sell much to make a profit, it was low risk. There's no guarantee other quality games will sell 1.6 million.

Now there are too many exercise, party, and licensed games. Perhaps the flooded Wii market of shovelware is hurting the sales of quality games.

You presume it would be much cheaper to make games from the ground up for the Wii. My guess is its not nearly as cheap as you think. 3rd party developers tend to release their games on the 360, PS3, and PC. Since they have similar specs they basically make one game and release it for three markets. The Wii requires games designed specifically for it and its just far more risky.



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Wii is, Wii HD wouldn't grow that fast

No guarantee, but considering other quality well knowntitles on Wii sales, its very likely.

Only of titles that appear to be shovelware, excellent titles are still selling great

Actually Devs and publishers have stated Wii development is a lot cheaper than HD development.

Yet Wii has higher selling titles than all three platforms combined, indicating that its not risky, its just that you have to bring really good games to the Wii



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

"Perhaps the flooded Wii market of shovelware is hurting the sales of quality games."

Wrong. Too much of something hurts that market, not the neglected market. It's the neglect that hurts the neglected market.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Wii is, Wii HD wouldn't grow that fast

No guarantee, but considering other quality well knowntitles on Wii sales, its very likely.

Only of titles that appear to be shovelware, excellent titles are still selling great

Actually Devs and publishers have stated Wii development is a lot cheaper than HD development.

Yet Wii has higher selling titles than all three platforms combined, indicating that its not risky, its just that you have to bring really good games to the Wii

I think the OP is being ignored. Ultimately, I think if there was a Wii HD it wouldn't be "denied" many 3rd party games simply because porting would be easy. How it sells is a completely different discussion.

What excellent titles are selling great? Excluding first party.

Developers and publishers aren't exactly bringing Wii games of the same caliber as HD consoles. I'd argue the original Xbox and PS2 saw higher quality games. So development being cheaper is very believable.

The higher selling titles are Nintendo games. Nintendo games never struggle on Nintendo consoles. Everyone else struggles on the Wii.

Anyhow, this is going nowhere. You have your opinions, I have mine. I have nothing else to say.



LordTheNightKnight said:
"Perhaps the flooded Wii market of shovelware is hurting the sales of quality games."

Wrong. Too much of something hurts that market, not the neglected market. It's the neglect that hurts the neglected market.

If you say so buddy...



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"If you say so buddy..."

Try giving EVIDENCE whether I'm right or wrong. If you can't do that, leave the thread.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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I think it would, as developers would just say its not worth it due to the small install base.

At the moment there aren't any new excellent third party games on the Wii, there's some decent ones, but nothing excellent, the excellent games are from Nintendo like WSR Wii fit plus, NSMB Wii

On this we agree, they have been shortchanging the Wii so far

Because of the lack of quality they struggle



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

LordTheNightKnight said:
"If you say so buddy..."

Try giving EVIDENCE whether I'm right or wrong. If you can't do that, leave the thread.

60% or so of the Wii software sold is third party.

Yet no single third party title has even reached 1% of of Wii software sales in a given year...

So yes, titles not branded Nintendo do have a problem making a name for themselves...

Because you can't really claim all those third party titles are on the same quality levels, maybe they are not to your quality level but comparatively some should come out better than the rest but that's not really the case in term of sales ( by comparison the best Nintendo titles represent close to 10% of total Wii software sales in any given year.

 

 

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

LordTheNightKnight said:
"Perhaps the flooded Wii market of shovelware is hurting the sales of quality games."

Wrong. Too much of something hurts that market, not the neglected market. It's the neglect that hurts the neglected market.

And what evidence do you have of your statement ?



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"If you say so buddy..."

Try giving EVIDENCE whether I'm right or wrong. If you can't do that, leave the thread.

60% or so of the Wii software sold is third party.

Yet no single third party title has even reached 1% of of Wii software sales in a given year...

So yes, titles not branded Nintendo do have a problem making a name for themselves...

 

 

 

That was not what he was claiming. He was not discussing third party share.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs