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68soul on 24 November 2009
pastro243 said:
atma998 said:
Because video games analysts posting on these gaming sites are mostly FPS fans, Simulation Racing fans or any other graphics whores who doesnt care about games like Mario or Zelda. Worst, they look down upon the Wii as a ''kiddy'' console. For them people who bought a Wii did a terrible mistake, people doesnt understand how better an HD console really is. In short, most of them are totally disconnected from the real world. This is why Wii games always get poor critics on Metacritic.


No.

Anyway, Im tired of this crap, wii fans always crying everyone hates the wii, how wii games should get higher scores than they get, how wii is abandoned by developers, how HD fans call wii fans casuals and stupids, etc..

What else do you want? you have a great console and great games, your godly company is kicking everyones ass in hardware and software sales yet you still complain. It seems that this attitudes help ps360 fans with their bashing to the console and their fans.

 

 

You're tired of this crap? Then try to imagine how it feels when you've been reading endless crap and endless trolling back from the N64 days to Wii these days: it seems that the "Nintendo hate" is the most played game, EVER...

What many Nintendo lovers may find shocking is the parallel between the way PS2 was treated as a market leader, and the way Wii is treated as a market leader... and the worst part is that most "hardcore snobs" (gamers as well as devs) find that absolutely normal: it's like Wii couldn't even be treated with respect, because it's not even a "real" console... while the same guys were praising or doing most of the best PS2 games, not even three years ago... if their "logic" is right, then all games made in the last 30 years have never been worth playing, and were stealing people's money...

So yeah, we have a great console, a few great games, and many poor efforts... but for the respect, and the game's industry creativity...

But i suppose that people who grew up with the games made by one of the most creative and successful gaming company ever, can't be treated with respect: once we were too old school, then we became too kiddy, and now we're too casual... and after all these years, we still don't know what's a good game, right?

No, not right, and that's why we have the right to feel pissed...



 

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psrock on 24 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Companies can take on debt to finance operations

that too, but what are those big AAA games that arent making a profit for their company?

Well I don't have the financials on each game, but considering the number of companies posting losses, EA, Ubisoft, THQ, Sony, Capcom, probably quite a few of them are losing money on their big budget titles

No, the problem is not big budget titles, but the smaller ones. While The Wii can get away with small games making a profit, It's very hard on the HD systems because they don't sell enough to make that profit. You see TAKE2 banked on just one game to save a whole company, GTA alone made tons of money, but the other games couldnt. So, you see most companies trying big AAA for the HD and the smaller ones for the Wii.

But that lacks logic then, since its actually cheaper to make big games on the Wii than on the HD systems, so the idea that making a few profitable games to cover the losses on the majority, would actually be more feasible on the Wii than the HD systems, so if that were true, then in fact we would expect to see more AAA attempts on Wii.

You think MW2 on the Wii would have been a bigger money maker than on the HD system?

 

Across all three systems combined maybe not, across any of the individual ones probably, since the costs to make MW2 on Wii probably would have probably been a fraction of the costs needed to make it HD.

so it wouldnt be big budget then?

Stop asking for big budget games when you guys keep raving how cheap your games are to make. Companies like to brag about graphics, big bugget, HD trailers just like the movies.



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pastro243 on 24 November 2009
68soul said:
pastro243 said:
atma998 said:
Because video games analysts posting on these gaming sites are mostly FPS fans, Simulation Racing fans or any other graphics whores who doesnt care about games like Mario or Zelda. Worst, they look down upon the Wii as a ''kiddy'' console. For them people who bought a Wii did a terrible mistake, people doesnt understand how better an HD console really is. In short, most of them are totally disconnected from the real world. This is why Wii games always get poor critics on Metacritic.


No.

Anyway, Im tired of this crap, wii fans always crying everyone hates the wii, how wii games should get higher scores than they get, how wii is abandoned by developers, how HD fans call wii fans casuals and stupids, etc..

What else do you want? you have a great console and great games, your godly company is kicking everyones ass in hardware and software sales yet you still complain. It seems that this attitudes help ps360 fans with their bashing to the console and their fans.

 

 

You're tired of this crap? Then try to imagine how it feels when you've been reading endless crap and endless trolling back from the N64 days to Wii these days: it seems that the "Nintendo hate" is the most played game, EVER...

What many Nintendo lovers may find shocking is the parallel between the way PS2 was treated as a market leader, and the way Wii is treated as a market leader... and the worst part is that most "hardcore snobs" (gamers as well as devs) find that absolutely normal: it's like Wii couldn't even be treated with respect, because it's not even a "real" console... while the same guys were praising or doing most of the best PS2 games, not even three years ago... if their "logic" is right, then all games made in the last 30 years have never been worth playing, and were stealing people's money...

So yeah, we have a great console, a few great games, and many poor efforts... but for the respect, and the game's industry creativity...

But i suppose that people who grew up with the games made by one of the most creative and successful gaming company ever, can't be treated with respect: once we were too old school, then we became too kiddy, and now we're too casual... and after all these years, we still don't know what's a good game, right?

No, not right, and that's why we have the right to feel pissed...


All right, there are people that hate Nintendo, as there are people who hate Sony and people who hate MS, learn to live with it and stop crying, cause all I get from that post is whining.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 24 November 2009

@psrock It would still be big budget, its just that Wii is cheaper to dev for, that's a fact of the system



 

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loves2splooge on 24 November 2009

I respect the Wii. I'm just not that crazy about Nintendo's first-parties and the third-party support, while not shovelwareville as popularly believed, is not up to standard compared to Ps360 (in my opinion anyway). And I'm not happy with the idea of having to be forced to use a wiimote in most of the games. I'm just not that interested in motion controls. Not every game needs to have it forced on you. Maybe if Nintendo packed in the classic controller as well with the console sku and stopped shoving motion control down our throats (actually including classic controller support for more of their first-party games), they'd actually have better third-party support even with the last gen-like graphics.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 24 November 2009

I mean MW2 was 40-50 million to make, I seriously doubt it would cost anywhere near that on Wii



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

noname2200 on 24 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
I mean MW2 was 40-50 million to make, I seriously doubt it would cost anywhere near that on Wii

Oh I dunno, you can throw money away on any platform. Consider Shenmue.



Avinash_Tyagi on 24 November 2009
loves2splooge said:
I respect the Wii. I'm just not that crazy about Nintendo's first-parties and the third-party support, while not shovelwareville as popularly believed, is not up to standard compared to Ps360 (in my opinion anyway). And I'm not happy with the idea of having to be forced to use a wiimote in most of the games. I'm just not that interested in motion controls. Not every game needs to have it forced on you. Maybe if Nintendo packed in the classic controller as well with the console sku and stopped shoving motion control down our throats (actually including classic controller support for more of their first-party games), they'd actually have better third-party support even with the last gen-like graphics.

Companies can bundle the classic with their game if they are so inclined



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 24 November 2009
noname2200 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
I mean MW2 was 40-50 million to make, I seriously doubt it would cost anywhere near that on Wii

Oh I dunno, you can throw money away on any platform. Consider Shenmue.

Granted, but that's one reason why Sega is no longer in the console business



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

psrock on 24 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
I mean MW2 was 40-50 million to make, I seriously doubt it would cost anywhere near that on Wii

Dude, it's funny you get mad third party developers for not giving you big budget games when Nintendo doesnt do it either.



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