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dsister44 on 24 November 2009
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

I ask you this. IF you were to own a company that made consoles. And another company were to make something that worked on your console. Without having it tested by you, and without paying you a penny.Which could also be used to cheat.  What would you do?

I would respect the law, so i dont have to pay a big fine.

Tell me which law they are breaking



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masterb8tr on 24 November 2009
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

I ask you this. IF you were to own a company that made consoles. And another company were to make something that worked on your console. Without having it tested by you, and without paying you a penny.Which could also be used to cheat.  What would you do?

I would respect the law, so i dont have to pay a big fine.

Tell me which law they are breaking

They're not holding their part of their agreement/contract. I should also add that i live in norway, so different laws... But if you really want to know, see "forbrukerkjøpsloven" § 15. Also see "kjøpsloven" from 1988 and "avtaleloven" from 1918.



nightsurge on 24 November 2009
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

I ask you this. IF you were to own a company that made consoles. And another company were to make something that worked on your console. Without having it tested by you, and without paying you a penny.Which could also be used to cheat.  What would you do?

I would respect the law, so i dont have to pay a big fine.

Tell me which law they are breaking

They're not holding their part of their agreement/contract. I should also add that i live in norway, so different laws... But if you really want to know, see "forbrukerkjøpsloven" § 15. Also see "kjøpsloven" from 1988 and "avtaleloven" from 1918.

Yes they are.  They are not responsible for the retailer sale.  That is the agreement between you and the retailer.  They are holding their part of the agreement.



masterb8tr on 24 November 2009
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

Yes it was.  By purchasing you AGREE to the terms of use/terms of service.  By signing up for LIVE you agree to the terms of use/terms of service.  It is explicitly defined in both the manuals that come with the Xbox 360 and the signing up process when you are creating a LIVE account.

lol the manual is inside the box... kinda hard to read the manual without purchasing the xbox. I only agreed to what the salesman told me when i purchased the 360, which was "enjoy your console". Modding a console is perfectly legal in my country, although pirating is not...

Yes and if you open the box, and disagree with the terms you do not have to use it and you can return it.  That is the same with all electronics.

No , if i buy a product i am the owner and i can do whatever i want with it(well as long as i dont break the law) that includes modding the console( i havent though). But different laws apply for Usa though.



nightsurge on 24 November 2009
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

Yes it was.  By purchasing you AGREE to the terms of use/terms of service.  By signing up for LIVE you agree to the terms of use/terms of service.  It is explicitly defined in both the manuals that come with the Xbox 360 and the signing up process when you are creating a LIVE account.

lol the manual is inside the box... kinda hard to read the manual without purchasing the xbox. I only agreed to what the salesman told me when i purchased the 360, which was "enjoy your console". Modding a console is perfectly legal in my country, although pirating is not...

Yes and if you open the box, and disagree with the terms you do not have to use it and you can return it.  That is the same with all electronics.

No , if i buy a product i am the owner and i can do whatever i want with it(well as long as i dont break the law) that includes modding the console( i havent though). But different laws apply for Usa though.

So you are saying that no company is allowed to stop you from doing anything to any of their products in Norway?  I call bull.



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masterb8tr on 24 November 2009
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

I ask you this. IF you were to own a company that made consoles. And another company were to make something that worked on your console. Without having it tested by you, and without paying you a penny.Which could also be used to cheat.  What would you do?

I would respect the law, so i dont have to pay a big fine.

Tell me which law they are breaking

They're not holding their part of their agreement/contract. I should also add that i live in norway, so different laws... But if you really want to know, see "forbrukerkjøpsloven" § 15. Also see "kjøpsloven" from 1988 and "avtaleloven" from 1918.

Yes they are.  They are not responsible for the retailer sale.  That is the agreement between you and the retailer.  They are holding their part of the agreement.

no they are not. I should also add that they're actually being investigated by forbrukerrådet atm, because of this "anti-pirating" thing.

http://www.vg.no/spill/artikkel.php?artid=580732



nightsurge on 24 November 2009

So once again you are telling me that any product at all is open for you to do whatever you want with? Why would anyone sell products in Norway if they are never protected for their investment?



masterb8tr on 24 November 2009
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:
masterb8tr said:
dsister44 said:
It is Microsoft's console they can do what they want with it!

well... not with the one i already bought... They dont have the right to restrict functions on an item i have purchased, that was not the agreement at the time of my purchase.

Yes it was.  By purchasing you AGREE to the terms of use/terms of service.  By signing up for LIVE you agree to the terms of use/terms of service.  It is explicitly defined in both the manuals that come with the Xbox 360 and the signing up process when you are creating a LIVE account.

lol the manual is inside the box... kinda hard to read the manual without purchasing the xbox. I only agreed to what the salesman told me when i purchased the 360, which was "enjoy your console". Modding a console is perfectly legal in my country, although pirating is not...

Yes and if you open the box, and disagree with the terms you do not have to use it and you can return it.  That is the same with all electronics.

No , if i buy a product i am the owner and i can do whatever i want with it(well as long as i dont break the law) that includes modding the console( i havent though). But different laws apply for Usa though.

So you are saying that no company is allowed to stop you from doing anything to any of their products in Norway?  I call bull.

Weak argument much=?After you've purchased their product, the product is  yours to do whatever you want with . Companies can in some cases make som changes in your product/the agreement after you bought it, however a one-sided change in a agreement like such is rarely approved.



dsister44 on 24 November 2009
masterb8tr said:
nightsurge said:

So you are saying that no company is allowed to stop you from doing anything to any of their products in Norway?  I call bull.

Weak argument much=?After you've purchased their product, the product is  yours to do whatever you want with . Companies can in some cases make som changes in your product/the agreement after you bought it, however a one-sided change in a agreement like such is rarely approved.

Yes, you can do whatever you want with your console. But a company does not have the right to make an unapproved product. Microsoft has the right to deny it. It is not right for a company to make a profit on Microsoft's console without paying anything to them



masterb8tr on 24 November 2009
nightsurge said:
So once again you are telling me that any product at all is open for you to do whatever you want with? Why would anyone sell products in Norway if they are never protected for their investment?

When i have bought the product I can do what i want with it( unless its breaking the law obviously). Why do they care what the customers do with their product after purchase? If i want to combine my 360 with a dishwasher i have every right to do so... If my usage of the product is illegal(pirating ect) then obviously i am breaking law, and can be convicted.