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aragod said:
nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

Guess you don't know much about building supercomputers and cluster networks... Cluster will allways come cheaper than building one supercomputer (or even several that would be required for that task). That is the single reason why they do that.

Obviously clusters are "cheaper" but this is the US Military (Air Force to be exact).  They should be more worried about performance which would be much higher had they just purchased the Cell processors and built their own supercomputer structure.



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nightsurge said:
aragod said:
nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

Guess you don't know much about building supercomputers and cluster networks... Cluster will allways come cheaper than building one supercomputer (or even several that would be required for that task). That is the single reason why they do that.

Obviously clusters are "cheaper" but this is the US Military (Air Force to be exact).  They should be more worried about performance which would be much higher had they just purchased the Cell processors and built their own supercomputer structure.

Guess they are on tight budget than?



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aragod said:
nightsurge said:
aragod said:
nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

Guess you don't know much about building supercomputers and cluster networks... Cluster will allways come cheaper than building one supercomputer (or even several that would be required for that task). That is the single reason why they do that.

Obviously clusters are "cheaper" but this is the US Military (Air Force to be exact).  They should be more worried about performance which would be much higher had they just purchased the Cell processors and built their own supercomputer structure.

Guess they are on tight budget than?

For the government funded military, that would be very shocking.



aragod said:
nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

Guess you don't know much about building supercomputers and cluster networks... Cluster will allways come cheaper than building one supercomputer (or even several that would be required for that task). That is the single reason why they do that.

yup..the PS3 is pretty good at some simulation work and its very cheap than the alternative. and yes IBM will still be using core Cell processor component's, will it be a New Cell processor, umm no will it be LIKE THE Cell processor you bet. the big thing is Cell processor code would still be able to be used, If the design team wanted to use ISA function's in the new Processor. this is a good example of like the x86 processor market.

there is many x86 type's of chip's but they all share the common core ISA

the Same is happening with this part of the HPC market, new processor's from IBM will share the common core of the Cell processor because IBM knows it work's and works very well.



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nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

They will continue to partially use cell. I'm not talking about this article based of another article of another article but the original interview which is now days old. He says that they'll continue to use cell in ways in their future processors. Integrated within the new system that'll be called something else.



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nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

Its much cheaper I think......the PS3 isn't cheap, but doing what you are suggesting may require research, R&D and so on



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Staude said:
nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

They will continue to partially use cell. I'm not talking about this article based of another article of another article but the original interview which is now days old. He says that they'll continue to use cell in ways in their future processors. Integrated within the new system that'll be called something else.

yea, the very fact that IBM know the Cell processor works , they are adding to other processor's in their line's to gather the extra functionality that the Cell processor offer's. which is mainly acceleration, the Cell processor is a beast at process acceleration. 

Toshiba uses the Cell to add a quite sizable acceleration to video 3d, video game's, encoding etc. the spur's chip is very good at that, so implementation of said Cell technology already work's very well so including the core technology into new processor's is all but assured.

why waste the investment. The Cell work's, so why would IBM not use the technology.



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darthdevidem01 said:
nightsurge said:

Why don't they save themselves the money and just build servers with multiple Cell BE's rather than wasting it on buying actual PS3's then losing performance by clustering?

@Staude:  Maybe you should have read closer.  They ARE discontinuing Cell development.  They ARE NOT re-using the Cell in future projects, they are re-using ASPECTS of the Cell.  Things they learned from using the Cell architecture will carry over but the new products will NOT be Cell variants or Cell successors nor will they have Cells in them.

Its much cheaper I think......the PS3 isn't cheap, but doing what you are suggesting may require research, R&D and so on

yes it is very much so. the Cell processor in the PS3 is very good for the low cost price to make a HPC cluster for certain scientific or other simulation's. The price is one of the big +'s for indeed using the PS3's.

the PS3 is not only cheap when it come's to HPC cluster's but also get's good result's without the high cost of other HPC's

the big selling point is lots of computing power with low cost.

now of course this does not apply to every situation, but for some broad use in areas, like sonar,weather, graphic's acceleration, media broadcast networks. etc it's pretty d@mn hard to beat the cost/computing power that the PS3 offer's clustered in those example field's i just gave.

 



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coolbeans said:
Just a cover-up so they can give MAG a go :P.

lol..what was funny it only too 200 ps3's clustered to break the MD5's world wide web encryption

 

Using PS3's To Forge Site Certificates
Verisign discontinues flawed MD5 certificates
(old news - 09:02AM Friday Jan 02 2009)
tags: security · software · networking
Tipped by KeysCapt
User KeysCapt writes in: "Researchers using 200 PlayStation 3's, a sophisticated attack on the ailing MD5 hash algorithm, and a slip-up by Verisign claim to have found a method of hacking any website, in the interest of improving web security. As a result Verisign says it's stopped using MD5, as of around noon Pacific time December 30. "We're disappointed that these researchers did not share their results with us earlier," writes Verisign's Tim Callan, "but we're happy to report that we have completely mitigated this attack."

 

 



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coolbeans said:
Just a cover-up so they can give MAG a go :P.

Yup. they r going to have a tournament, 8 teams, 3 round , 1 cup. :P