Bullshit! The Xbox 360 GPU can achieve far higher utilization. Btw the PS3 GPU wasn't designed in relation to the Cell it was simply a last minute hack job.

No >_>, yes the 360 gpu is more powerful and more efficient, but the ps3 as a whole CPU/GPU reaches greater lengths, it was not a last minute hack job >_>, they just wanted to utilize the cpu

No, actually, I am right (yet again). If the grips, triggers, and sticks are sooooooo much more ergonomic on the 360 then howcome I can play on both consoles for hours at a time without any sort of discomfort? Does this "magical" less confortable ps3 controller effect only kick in at like 20+ hours of gameplay at a time or something?

O, so you don't like it when people talk down about your profession using stereotypes (even though I don't see where I did) . Maybe you shouldn't talk down about others then hmm?

He was talking GPU alone...

If it wasn't a hack job then why was it so inefficient? For example all the modifications done to it were to hack stuff out to better fit the PS3 (ROPs) and it still has the major hallmark of an AGP interface GPU because the reads to main GPU memory from the CPU are stupidly slow.

Exactly.  Don't listen to MikeB's false FUD and stealth trolling.  The PS3 was originally designed to ONLY use the Cell for both a CPU and a GPU.  It was only until they realized that their graphics capabilities using just the Cell would be nothing compared to the 360 with it's dedicated CPU and GPU that they decided to last minute design a GPU that was weak by itself but could use the Cell to help it out.

@nightsurge

Since you sound like you know evrything about all this I assume you have a proper link to back it up no? so if you dont mind kind sir I would like to see it plz.

Over time good sir, the effects are felt over time. And nobody was saying one was Soooooo much more ergonomic, but the 360 does have a definite edge. However, in reality, it all boils down to preference. I cannot stand the PS3 controllers, they don't fit my hands very well, and feel very odd, the 360 controller just seems so natural.  

And I apologize for going off the deep end about the whole machinist thing. The way which you put it could be interpreted as derogatory, and since I have been tuned to be rather cynical on this forum, I assumed the worst. 

@ FUDboys

The NVIDIA partnership was already known about in 2004, back then they stated they had been working on this GPU for 2 years already, so since 2002.

And yes the PS3 GPU is more powerful with regard to raw peak performance. However the 360 GPU is more flexible with regard to how to use its raw performance.

But of course on the other hand the PS3 GPU was designed to take advantage of the Cell processor and its SPUs are even far more flexible than that.

IMO just ignore that FUDboy, here's a press release from 2004:

"The companies have been jointly developing a custom graphics processing unit (GPU) incorporating next-generation GeForce technology - the graphics hardware behind NVIDIA's PC products - for the past two years, which will be used alongside SCEI's own system solutions for next-generation platforms featuring the Cell processor."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/nvidia-partners-with-sony-on-playstation-3-graphics-hardware

Boy oh boy, why would the Cell need to use the GPU's memory in normal situations? In general it makes no sense as the XDR is faster and provides far lower latencies for the CPU to work with.

Changing a game engine to allow the GPU (big amounts of graphics data) to make use of the XDR memory however can make sense and it can do so at great speed. Actually the RSX can access both types of memory simultaneously, about doubling the potential bandwidth.