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jarrod on 19 November 2009
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
patjuan32 said:
What Marvelous needs to do is team up with a publisher that will advertise their games in the West. Without advertising how are gamers going to know that a particular game is out. They need to stop blaming gamers and save some for themselves.


They aren't blaming gamers though...they actually blamed themselves because of the lack of marketing.

@outlaw

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Rising Star and XSeed and Ignition have ties to Marvelous when they publish their games.

If that's REALLY true, MMV need a Western subsidary like NIS or Atlus.

Well, Marvelous sells the license to Ignition or XSeed, etc. so that they can publish the game. Unless, they have a deal where Marvelous receieves extra compensation based on sales.

From my understanding, the Japanese company sells the license to an western publisher and then, the product becomes property of that publisher in that region. So, the American sales of Muramasa stand to benefit Ignition and not VanillaWare or Marvelous. It's what I was saying yesterday.

Licensing deals work differently every time, but yes they're most often ratios based on sales volume these days.  I'm not privy to the details here, but when the Muramasa megaton came down, XSEED's president said they lost the game specifically because Ignition offered a better deal.  I'm pretty sure Marvelous saw plenty of dollars in the process...



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Soap_McTavish on 19 November 2009

I think the correct move is for marvelous to team up with atlus and release PS3 games. it seems like the only hope for japanese developers.



jarrod on 19 November 2009
Soap_McTavish said:
I think the correct move is for marvelous to team up with atlus and release PS3 games. it seems like the only hope for japanese developers.

After 3DGH tanked in Japan, I don't think PS3's a safe option either.  They need to chiefly stick to DS like every other sane niche JP publisher.



outlawauron on 19 November 2009
jarrod said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
patjuan32 said:
What Marvelous needs to do is team up with a publisher that will advertise their games in the West. Without advertising how are gamers going to know that a particular game is out. They need to stop blaming gamers and save some for themselves.


They aren't blaming gamers though...they actually blamed themselves because of the lack of marketing.

@outlaw

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Rising Star and XSeed and Ignition have ties to Marvelous when they publish their games.

If that's REALLY true, MMV need a Western subsidary like NIS or Atlus.

Well, Marvelous sells the license to Ignition or XSeed, etc. so that they can publish the game. Unless, they have a deal where Marvelous receieves extra compensation based on sales.

From my understanding, the Japanese company sells the license to an western publisher and then, the product becomes property of that publisher in that region. So, the American sales of Muramasa stand to benefit Ignition and not VanillaWare or Marvelous. It's what I was saying yesterday.

Licensing deals work differently every time, but yes they're most often ratios based on sales volume these days.  I'm not privy to the details here, but when the Muramasa megaton came down, XSEED's president said they lost the game specifically because Ignition offered a better deal.  I'm pretty sure Marvelous saw plenty of dollars in the process...

All of which happened after this report was filed if I'm not mistaken.

I also think that licensing deals are not universal, and will change depending on the game and publishers.



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Stefan.De.Machtige on 19 November 2009
Soap_McTavish said:
I think the correct move is for marvelous to team up with atlus and release PS3 games. it seems like the only hope for japanese developers.

The only hope for Japanese developers is simply to make better selling games. Moving to a smaller platform (and more expensive) is not going to help. 



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famousringo on 19 November 2009

Thanks for clearing things up for me, jarrod.

So Soriku's point that Muramasa and Arc Rise Fantasia might yield better results once they've launched in all regions stands as valid, though Japanese and LKS sales have been pretty disappointing so far.



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Soap_McTavish on 19 November 2009

THats not true at all. There has been little to no success for any developers outside of nintendo on the wii.

Valkyria Chronicles is about to break 600k while demon's souls is sure to top 500k.



nordlead on 19 November 2009

someone find the thread about small Japanese developers and publishers and how the whole thing works. I remember reading it, and I almost think WoW posted it.




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Soap_McTavish on 19 November 2009
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Soap_McTavish said:
I think the correct move is for marvelous to team up with atlus and release PS3 games. it seems like the only hope for japanese developers.

The only hope for Japanese developers is simply to make better selling games. Moving to a smaller platform (and more expensive) is not going to help. 

smaller install base, but a much larger game purchasing base.



nordlead on 19 November 2009
Soap_McTavish said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Soap_McTavish said:
I think the correct move is for marvelous to team up with atlus and release PS3 games. it seems like the only hope for japanese developers.

The only hope for Japanese developers is simply to make better selling games. Moving to a smaller platform (and more expensive) is not going to help. 

smaller install base, but a much larger game purchasing base.

really? go scroll down to the software totals in japan and tell me if you still believe that.

http://www.vgchartz.com/jyearly.php

This year alone they have bought ~3m more units on Wii. While software sales are slow this year on Wii, they have managed 20m more in total sales. So the proof is there that the Wii can move software, but they need to put out something good.




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