Let brussels get adopt by the EU. Consideration abortion would be to cruel =p.

The political parties aren't striving to reach that, they want to be completely independent. Who says France and the Netherlands even want us?

Walloons don't want to be independent, they want to keep the country whole. They know they need Flanders for money.
It are NVA/VB (Flemish partys) etc that want to independent.

I think some newspapers did a couple off big polls in the Netherlands (a good while back) and the majority were for it.

I for one want us to stay a country, but fix all the bullshit that is going on. Running away isn't the option. ... Beer is.

The Lisbon Treaty has finally been fully ratified, eight years after European leaders launched a process to make the EU "more democratic, more transparent and more efficient".

Under EU rules, the treaty had to be ratified by all 27 member states before coming into force. The last country to ratify the treaty was the Czech Republic, which completed the process on 3 November 2009. The treaty is expected to officially become law in December.

Like the proposed European constitution before it, the treaty is often described as an attempt to streamline EU institutions to make the enlarged bloc of 27 states function better. But its opponents see it as part of a federalist agenda that threatens national sovereignty.

The planned constitution was thrown out by French and Dutch voters in 2005. The Lisbon Treaty which succeeded it was rejected by Irish voters in June 2008. But it got overwhelming support in a second referendum in the Irish Republic on 2 October 2009.

How similar is Lisbon to the draft constitution?

It contains many of the changes the constitution attempted to introduce, for example:

• A politician chosen to be president of the European Council for two-and-a-half years, replacing the current system where countries take turns at being president for six months.
• A new post - called High Representative - combining the jobs of the existing foreign affairs supremo, Javier Solana, and the external affairs commissioner, Benita Ferrero-Waldner, to give the EU more influence on the world stage.
• A smaller European Commission, with fewer commissioners than there are member states, from 2014.
• A redistribution of voting weights between the member states, phased in between 2014 and 2017 - qualified majority voting based on a "double majority" of 55% of member states, accounting for 65% of the EU's population.
• New powers for the European Commission, European Parliament and European Court of Justice, for example in the field of justice and home affairs.
• The parliament will be on an equal footing with the Council - the grouping of member states' governments - for most legislation, including the budget and agriculture. This is called "co-decision".
• Removal of national vetoes in a number of areas, including fighting climate change, energy security and emergency aid. Unanimity will still be required in the areas of tax, foreign policy, defence and social security.

Most European leaders acknowledge that the treaty preserves the main substance of the constitution.

If it contains the same substance, why is the Lisbon Treaty not a constitution?

The constitution attempted to replace all earlier EU treaties and start afresh, whereas the new treaty amends the Treaty on the European Union (Maastricht) and the Treaty Establishing the European Community (Rome).

It also drops all reference to the symbols of the EU - the flag, the anthem and the motto - though these will continue to exist.

How long did it take to agree the treaty?

A declaration issued at the EU's Laeken summit in 2001 called for a Convention on the future of Europe to look into the simplification and reorganisation of the EU treaties, and raised the question whether the end result should be a constitution.

The Convention began work in February 2002 and a constitution was signed in Rome two-and-a-half years later, in October 2004. But that text became obsolete when it was rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005.

Work began in earnest on a replacement treaty during the German EU presidency, in the first half of 2007, and agreement on the main points of the new treaty was reached at a summit in June that year.

Negotiations continued behind the scenes over the following months, until a final draft was agreed by the leaders of the 27 member states in October 2007.

Why was the constitution dropped?

France and the Netherlands said they would be unable to adopt the constitutional treaty without significant changes, following the 2005 referendums.

The UK also pressed hard for a modest "amending treaty", which could be ratified by means of a parliamentary vote, like earlier EU treaties.

Does the Charter of Fundamental Rights feature in the new treaty?

No. There is a reference to it, making it legally binding, but the full text does not appear, even in an annex.

The UK has secured a written guarantee that the Charter cannot be used by the European Court to alter British labour law, or other laws that deal with social rights. However, experts are divided on how effective this will be.

Poland has an opt-out from parts of the Charter covering family issues and morality, such as abortion.

The Czech Republic also has an opt-out - secured by the Eurosceptic Czech President Vaclav Klaus as a condition for signing the treaty. He wanted a guarantee that his country would not be exposed to property claims by Germans expelled from the then Czechoslovakia after World War II.

Did any countries seek more opt-outs?

The Irish Republic and the UK currently have an opt-out from European policies concerning asylum, visas and immigration. Under the new treaty they have the right to opt in or out of any policies in the entire field of justice and home affairs.

Dublin also won guarantees that the treaty would not infringe on its sovereignty in the areas of taxation, family issues and state neutrality.

Denmark will continue with its existing opt-out from justice and home affairs, but has the right under the new treaty to opt for the pick-and-choose system.

Was the Irish Republic the only country to hold a referendum?

Yes. Most EU leaders argued that Lisbon merely amended earlier treaties and that there was therefore no need for a referendum.

That position was rejected by the Irish No camp and the opposition Conservative Party in Britain, as well as by many Eurosceptics across the EU.

The Irish Republic was obliged to hold a referendum because of an Irish Supreme Court ruling in 1987, saying that any major amendment to an EU treaty entails an amendment to the Irish constitution.

Before the second Irish referendum, Dublin won guarantees that Lisbon would not affect Irish sovereignty in key areas that the No camp had highlighted.

When will the new treaty kick in?

The treaty is expected to officially come into force from December.

The next steps - which might well change - are as follows:

• The High Representative for Foreign Affairs will not start work until the treaty comes fully into force. The new president of the European Council could also start work at that point.

• The new European Parliament was elected in June 2009 under the existing Nice Treaty. So there are 736 MEPs - down from the previous 785. Under the Lisbon plan, the number will be fixed at 751.

• Although a new 27-member European Commission will take office in January 2010, its size will not be slimmed down until 2014.

• Some extensions of qualified majority voting in the European Council are already in place, such as the appointment of the new commission president and the High Representative - but plans to redistribute voting weights have been delayed until after 2014.

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6901353.stm

we need someone not so "oh yay lets all invite tons of immagrants in and get ruled by europe",if nick griffin wasnt so racist id actually supportr him

Tony Blair's officially withdrawn from the running (actually, he was never IN the running). He's backing some Baroness from the Labour party.

Apparently, Herman van Rompuy is the most popular candidate now.

Perhaps the PM of Denmark should get it, since it's apparently the least corrupt country in the world

EDIT: Now it's second. But the least corrupt in Europe.

Their is not really a reason why Netherlands would be against it. The end of Belgium means that they don't have to drive through Belgium anymore if they want to go to France.

thats not how EU membership works...especially not for the UK, we have more opt outs than almost anyone it seems...

I was talking about the flemish parties, forgot to mention that. And I agree with you, we should stay togethers. We're all going to become the United States of Europe anyhow

In a choice between being ruled by Europe and being ruled by Gordon Brown...