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jonager on 15 November 2009

i just hope for them to make anothr ff similar to ff 8 ,
ot: i think every ff in the main series has been good except for ff11 cuase i dont like mmo ,i dont like wrpg i think they all laack a good storie it must be cause i like linear stories , so letting a west team make next ff would be a mistake



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Kenryoku_Maxis on 15 November 2009
Riachu said:
Soonerman said:
Wow, this thread definitely has gone back and forth with no real resolution (then again I guess its expected, it is VGChartz! lol)

Here is a new take on what I'd like to see to refresh a tiring franchise that (IMO) is declining in quality.

1) The stereotypical characters that FF has been throwing out need to become more realistic. No more spiky hairs, no more annnoying little brat that won't shut up but for some reason is an addition to the party, no more teenage heroe full of angst for dumb reasons,etc.

2)The storyline needs to grow up. I'm tired of the typical love story between the main character and some girl that's never resolved for some reason. This has been typical in all FFs since 7. Also the typical we have to save the world deal. I can't recall a Final Fantasy that in the end require you to save the whole world. I haven't played 12 and on so this might've changed but highly doubt it.

3)I absolutely hate the fact that when you get to the very end to fight the main evil character just to end up fighting something else that has no part whatsover in the story or was just a small detail in the story but some reason the cause for another final final evil boss. Talking about the boss, can we make the bosses full of evil like Kefka was? Most bosses in FF have been lame and it started with Sephiroth.

4)I think Japanese humor is weird. I can stand it and sometimes I'll laugh but FF have been adding so much of it lately that it just gets on my nerves. I'd like to see a good balance of oriental and occidental humor since this game is released world wide.

Those are the few that come to mind but I feel are critical to change to create a mature experience.

When you mean not realistic, do you mean in terms of character design or personality?

Personally, I though the love story between Tidus and Yuna was very believeable and among the most realistic of any video game.

When it comes to stories, the way the story is told is more important than the story itself.  I will gladly take a cliched story that is told well over a story that is full of originality but is poorly executed any day.

Japanese humor is weird because the humor was written for the Japanese, not for us.

If that's the case, I have to call out Final Fantasy in both characters and plot.  It is pretty poorly executed in both these fields.  For me, this is not a big problem as plot and 'deep' characters are not the most important thing in an RPG.  Gameplay, exploration and item collection are.  However, along with graphics, plot and character interaction (through long dialogue sequences) does seem to be one of the key components that the Final Fantasy series focuses on.  And frankly, in my view, it just isn't as 'deep' or 'meaningful' as its attempting to be.

I'd be more inclined to compare the plot of the Final Fantasy games next to something like Bleach or Star Wars than any real thought provoking novel with memorable characters and hard hitting banter.  And it has little to do with the cultural differences.  Much of the awkward jokes are due to the dumbed down localizations replacing Japanese jokes and idioms with weak American ones such as 'you'll catch more fish with live bait' and 'Hot Dogs'.



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scottie on 15 November 2009

The only good rpg creator outside of Japan is currently rolling in his grave

R.I.P. Gary Gygax

Western Final fantasy would be shit



reaver_x on 16 November 2009
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Riachu said:
Soonerman said:
Wow, this thread definitely has gone back and forth with no real resolution (then again I guess its expected, it is VGChartz! lol)

Here is a new take on what I'd like to see to refresh a tiring franchise that (IMO) is declining in quality.

1) The stereotypical characters that FF has been throwing out need to become more realistic. No more spiky hairs, no more annnoying little brat that won't shut up but for some reason is an addition to the party, no more teenage heroe full of angst for dumb reasons,etc.

2)The storyline needs to grow up. I'm tired of the typical love story between the main character and some girl that's never resolved for some reason. This has been typical in all FFs since 7. Also the typical we have to save the world deal. I can't recall a Final Fantasy that in the end require you to save the whole world. I haven't played 12 and on so this might've changed but highly doubt it.

3)I absolutely hate the fact that when you get to the very end to fight the main evil character just to end up fighting something else that has no part whatsover in the story or was just a small detail in the story but some reason the cause for another final final evil boss. Talking about the boss, can we make the bosses full of evil like Kefka was? Most bosses in FF have been lame and it started with Sephiroth.

4)I think Japanese humor is weird. I can stand it and sometimes I'll laugh but FF have been adding so much of it lately that it just gets on my nerves. I'd like to see a good balance of oriental and occidental humor since this game is released world wide.

Those are the few that come to mind but I feel are critical to change to create a mature experience.

When you mean not realistic, do you mean in terms of character design or personality?

Personally, I though the love story between Tidus and Yuna was very believeable and among the most realistic of any video game.

When it comes to stories, the way the story is told is more important than the story itself.  I will gladly take a cliched story that is told well over a story that is full of originality but is poorly executed any day.

Japanese humor is weird because the humor was written for the Japanese, not for us.

If that's the case, I have to call out Final Fantasy in both characters and plot.  It is pretty poorly executed in both these fields.  For me, this is not a big problem as plot and 'deep' characters are not the most important thing in an RPG.  Gameplay, exploration and item collection are.  However, along with graphics, plot and character interaction (through long dialogue sequences) does seem to be one of the key components that the Final Fantasy series focuses on.  And frankly, in my view, it just isn't as 'deep' or 'meaningful' as its attempting to be.

I'd be more inclined to compare the plot of the Final Fantasy games next to something like Bleach or Star Wars than any real thought provoking novel with memorable characters and hard hitting banter.  And it has little to do with the cultural differences.  Much of the awkward jokes are due to the dumbed down localizations replacing Japanese jokes and idioms with weak American ones such as 'you'll catch more fish with live bait' and 'Hot Dogs'.

plz tell me ur joking. Let me tell u now an RPG with a weak story is utter shit and not worth playing unless...unless they are either an MMO or have other factors that make it appealing like in demon souls or diablo. But apart from that, a RPG not having a good story is completely unacceptable and worthless (Fable, Fallout 3, oblivion im looking at u guys)




 

 

                     

Kenryoku_Maxis on 16 November 2009
reaver_x said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Riachu said:

When you mean not realistic, do you mean in terms of character design or personality?

Personally, I though the love story between Tidus and Yuna was very believeable and among the most realistic of any video game.

When it comes to stories, the way the story is told is more important than the story itself.  I will gladly take a cliched story that is told well over a story that is full of originality but is poorly executed any day.

Japanese humor is weird because the humor was written for the Japanese, not for us.

If that's the case, I have to call out Final Fantasy in both characters and plot.  It is pretty poorly executed in both these fields.  For me, this is not a big problem as plot and 'deep' characters are not the most important thing in an RPG.  Gameplay, exploration and item collection are.  However, along with graphics, plot and character interaction (through long dialogue sequences) does seem to be one of the key components that the Final Fantasy series focuses on.  And frankly, in my view, it just isn't as 'deep' or 'meaningful' as its attempting to be.

I'd be more inclined to compare the plot of the Final Fantasy games next to something like Bleach or Star Wars than any real thought provoking novel with memorable characters and hard hitting banter.  And it has little to do with the cultural differences.  Much of the awkward jokes are due to the dumbed down localizations replacing Japanese jokes and idioms with weak American ones such as 'you'll catch more fish with live bait' and 'Hot Dogs'.

plz tell me ur joking. Let me tell u now an RPG with a weak story is utter shit and not worth playing unless...unless they are either an MMO or have other factors that make it appealing like in demon souls or diablo. But apart from that, a RPG not having a good story is completely unacceptable and worthless (Fable, Fallout 3, oblivion im looking at u guys)

...or unless you don't focus on story as the most important factor of an RPG.  As I already said I don't.  Some RPGs, from certain Dragon Quest to Paper Mario to even certain Final Fantasy games have little to no story to speak of.  Yet they have something else that makes them good.  Gameplay, exploration, characters, item collection, etc.

If all you want to do is sit there and read dialogue and hear old men tell you a 'story', perhaps you should consider a different form of media.  May I suggest a movie?  You get the same amount of content, but in 1/20th the time.



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Soonerman on 16 November 2009
reaver_x said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Riachu said:
Soonerman said:
Wow, this thread definitely has gone back and forth with no real resolution (then again I guess its expected, it is VGChartz! lol)

Here is a new take on what I'd like to see to refresh a tiring franchise that (IMO) is declining in quality.

1) The stereotypical characters that FF has been throwing out need to become more realistic. No more spiky hairs, no more annnoying little brat that won't shut up but for some reason is an addition to the party, no more teenage heroe full of angst for dumb reasons,etc.

2)The storyline needs to grow up. I'm tired of the typical love story between the main character and some girl that's never resolved for some reason. This has been typical in all FFs since 7. Also the typical we have to save the world deal. I can't recall a Final Fantasy that in the end require you to save the whole world. I haven't played 12 and on so this might've changed but highly doubt it.

3)I absolutely hate the fact that when you get to the very end to fight the main evil character just to end up fighting something else that has no part whatsover in the story or was just a small detail in the story but some reason the cause for another final final evil boss. Talking about the boss, can we make the bosses full of evil like Kefka was? Most bosses in FF have been lame and it started with Sephiroth.

4)I think Japanese humor is weird. I can stand it and sometimes I'll laugh but FF have been adding so much of it lately that it just gets on my nerves. I'd like to see a good balance of oriental and occidental humor since this game is released world wide.

Those are the few that come to mind but I feel are critical to change to create a mature experience.

When you mean not realistic, do you mean in terms of character design or personality?

Personally, I though the love story between Tidus and Yuna was very believeable and among the most realistic of any video game.

When it comes to stories, the way the story is told is more important than the story itself.  I will gladly take a cliched story that is told well over a story that is full of originality but is poorly executed any day.

Japanese humor is weird because the humor was written for the Japanese, not for us.

If that's the case, I have to call out Final Fantasy in both characters and plot.  It is pretty poorly executed in both these fields.  For me, this is not a big problem as plot and 'deep' characters are not the most important thing in an RPG.  Gameplay, exploration and item collection are.  However, along with graphics, plot and character interaction (through long dialogue sequences) does seem to be one of the key components that the Final Fantasy series focuses on.  And frankly, in my view, it just isn't as 'deep' or 'meaningful' as its attempting to be.

I'd be more inclined to compare the plot of the Final Fantasy games next to something like Bleach or Star Wars than any real thought provoking novel with memorable characters and hard hitting banter.  And it has little to do with the cultural differences.  Much of the awkward jokes are due to the dumbed down localizations replacing Japanese jokes and idioms with weak American ones such as 'you'll catch more fish with live bait' and 'Hot Dogs'.

plz tell me ur joking. Let me tell u now an RPG with a weak story is utter shit and not worth playing unless...unless they are either an MMO or have other factors that make it appealing like in demon souls or diablo. But apart from that, a RPG not having a good story is completely unacceptable and worthless (Fable, Fallout 3, oblivion im looking at u guys)

No offense reaver but you show hard fanboyism with your comments. You're obviously biased and close minded if you claim that Fable and Fallout 3 have shitty storylines. Fallout 3 was awesome, Fable was a tad weak. I don't know about oblivion cuz I never played it.



FinalEvangelion on 16 November 2009

In a short answer... no

In a long answer... no



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Crystalchild on 16 November 2009

There needs to be a eastern created Call of Duty (Modern Warfare series)!

any questions?



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Kenryoku_Maxis on 16 November 2009
Crystalchild said:
There needs to be a eastern created Call of Duty (Modern Warfare series)!

any questions?

Yes.

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forest-spirit on 16 November 2009
Crystalchild said:
There needs to be a eastern created Call of Duty (Modern Warfare series)!

any questions?

With anime visuals? And a max age of 18 for every character? I'm in.

 

Btw, I think an eastern Call of Duty already exists.

Take Call of Duty, throw in some more RPG elements, anime visuals, add a turn-based battle system instead of real time and multiply amount of story and dialogue with 100. Some kind of overnaturalness is needed as well, it's eastern after all.

Voila, you have Valkyria Chronicles!