yes it have cloud and sephiroth fighting <3

No. I think he was saying

"I wanted to buy it cause i saw the cool kickass trailer almost nobody did... but then all this Disney advertising came out and i was like "Lame!"

So clearly at least half the sales of the game were based on FF fans who like me kept up on the news and saw the trailer not many people saw... instead of the commercials EVERYONE saw."

Which of course... is a poor arguement... because as stated.. not that many people follow this kind of stuff that closely... espiecally RPG fans in general.

have u seen COM sales? :P the game was later ported to the ps2.

it sold way less than kh 1-2. despite 80 million+ user base of "kids".

BBS won't be as huge but because of the piracy on the PSP not because the userbase.

same for 358/2 days, its on 100 million handheld full of kids, but it's not selling mainly because of the piracy, similar to KH2 it sold less due piracy.

yet the ps2 wasn't as easy to hack as the PSP or DS are.

as RE:COM Was released in japan with final mix kh2, a year after release of the american KH.

Crisis core sold over 2 million on the PSP, even if didn't have FF7 in it (until recently PSN Release), low user than the PS1 and high piracy and it's not mainline game. but a prequel.

u haven't counter anything :)

@kaz, my point was many bought kingdom hearts because it was FF game made by square enix, and my thread proves my point, now u move the goal saying this is a heavy otaku forum of niche RPGs.

yet KH it's not a niche RPG, it  have mainline FF series characters in it. then you say it doesnt matter cuz it "marketing" was very disney therefore it's for casuals, i reply it had cloud and sephiroth fighting. while the marketing was very disney, the gameplay, story are not- they are drives modes, decks combinations, skills, many equipments, summons. plus a hardcore fight with sephiroth in the coliseum.

u consider mario a casual game? LBP? at most u can say they are bridge titles, liked by both.

FF and KH are similar in that aspect. while the core gamers love it, it got the attention of certain casuals players but casuals are not the main mover. in contrast to game like wii fit.

u guys all saying thing like you totally believe it's like that no questions asked, yet don't show me numbers (good luck trying to find them).

and talk about marketing, and kids demography, ignoring all FF RPG players, it's huge amount. and kh was a new game at the time, avoid by many because it was disney, until it got popular way after release.

yet com, even with 2 those things it's not on par, with mainlines kh,it should sold at least 3 million having all the ingredients to sell. userbase, casual marketing, demography.

1) 358/2 days sales are not impressive, same as com, they are on par with titles like PSP Dissidia, Crisis Core, even with bigger userbase and having all the kids marketing demographic.

and people  don't stock psp games due the piracy, people simply don't buy games and yes PSP piracy it's that bad, and your nearest local walmart it's not only source of games in the whole country. but piracy on the PSP it's clearly affecting it.

2)i think both KH and pokemon are simple. yet they are not played entire like casuals like you are making at to be. the only way u can play like you are saying on hard, it's if you overgrind, and there is no way in hell u can beat coliseum, or sephiroth with X and heal.

3)not all FF bought KH, but i assure a big bunch of them did, this was this thread was about unti you and kaz starting debating.

also it sold over a millions in japan, where disney it's not as popular, but final fantasy is, not a single hardcore RPG do that amount in japan, just dragon quest, pokemon and final fantasy.

I got interested in KH because it was an Action RPG made by Squaresoft, with Disney characters.
And even though it has its awesome characters like Maleficent in her Dragon form, and the Devil from Bald Mountain, it wasn´t enough to keep my attention for the sequel.

I did not care too much for the FF cameos, but i have to admit that the fight with Sephiroth was pretty cool.

So, is the thread being made in order to *prove* more people bought KH due to FF characters?

Look. This forum does not represent the majority - far, far from it. Here's one example: more people on this site own NMH, than Wii Fit. Here there are ~660 NMH owners, and 600 Wii Fit owners.

In reality, Wii Fit has sold about 50x more than NMH. Basically, this community cannot be used as representative of the majority, so this "poll" is meaningless, even if all of us bought the game because we're Square fans.

Kingdom Hearts has never sold less than its FF competitors in America. Its audience is quite obviously larger than the normal FF/Square fanbase, because it beats all of its top games on every platform (KH > FFX, KH:CoM > FFTA, KH 358/2 > FF3).

You brought up Japan sales, and I think we've conceded the series being driven by its FF fans there (though this is less important, since America is KH's main region). Still, you'd need to explain why it sells far less than FF in their region, while they're so much higher here.

Actually, if you think the game is selling so well due to its FF fanservice (going as far as saying it was avoided due to Disney), tell me this - why is Dissidia doing so much worse than KH 358/2, or even Crisis Core in America? The opposite situation is occurring in Japan.

(edit) Oh, one more thing. FF fans avoiding the game due to Disney's presence only hurts your argument. For every FF fan disinterested in the game, it takes another Disney/non-FF fan to get the game's sales to where they are.

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I'll add something on topic. I got it because I'm a Square fan. I'm neutral to most things Disney, though I do like some of their worlds a lot (Aladdin, Little Mermaid). Similarly, I'll be picking Epic Mickey up because it's a high budget western game with Warren Spector behind it (Mickey being cool and visiting old Disney worlds are a bonus). I'm a gamer, so the main reasons behind my purchases will be game related.

The original box art of kingdom Hearts 1.

Highly Stylised, dark (for disney) and then I picked it up off the shelf and found out it was Squaresoft and Disney, had to give it a shot based on that alone.

Hooked since.

Some people are so condescending, at act like their opinion holds greater creditbility. OT ; Im not too fond of KH, but im not arrogant or ignorant to act like I know better.

I was interested in the game the first time I saw a commercial for it, but didn't buy the game until a few years later when my boyfriend was talking to me about it and said I would probably like it.