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outlawauron on 09 November 2009
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
I think that can be proven if KH BBS sells less than 358/2 Days (which I'm expecting). Otherwise, we're only looking at their marketing and their business choices (like putting CoM on GBA because of kids). Quite frankly, if they're marketing is aimed at Disney fans and they've put a game on a certain system just because of kids, I'm more inclined to believe we're right and you're wrong.

But aren't there more Square and Final Fantasy games on the DS versus the PSP?

Square? Yes. FF? Not so sure. DS has FF remakes but PSP has the more action RPG series like FF VII CC. There's also tons more Disney fans on the DS than PSP.

Well, the DS has 8 Final Fantasy games and the PSP has 5 Final Fantasy titles.



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outlawauron on 09 November 2009

Does Chain of Memories or 358/2 Days even have Final Fantasy characters in it?

Those games seem to rely on actual Kingdom Hearts characters than Disney or Final Fantasy.



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Kasz216 on 09 November 2009
Dgc1808 said:
Kasz216 said:
Dgc1808 said:
@Soriku

What you're saying sounds like you're talking about the people who'll buy it just because it's heavily Disney related. Your statement about how each world is based on movies are true but when I played KH, each world had pretty much just the core plot and climax, they were all really short. Also your actions were way of topic. You were fighting enemies that were from Kingdom Hearts and not those specific worlds half the time.

People who buy movie games expect much longer and much more detailed and focused experiences on that particular movie than what KH games offer. It just doesn't seem right to even compare KH to movie tie-ins when you consider this. It's more like a cross-over game.

Also, Crisis Core and Tales atleast shows there's a market for action RPG's on PSP - Something the sales of those other games doesn't.

As for Epic Mickey and sales, Agent is PS Exclusive even though GTAIV sold much more on 360 than PS3. Agent still has the chance to be a success if made and marketed well. Gears this gen, Halo last gen, and MGS1 in the 5th gen show that exclusivity can be beneficial to getting an IP to really take off and creating their own fanbase.

And yet... thats why the first two KH games sold...  Once again... look at the advertsing for KH1 and KH2.  All it is, is a wide array of Disney characters.

I mean look at the sales Ratio of KH vs the sales ratio of Final Fantasy games when it comes to region.

 

It's fairly obvious that final fantasy fans are not a main driver... or even close to one.

I get what your saying. I'm just saying that I believe it's RPG fans [including final fantasy fans] that are the main drivers for the sales and that the game being a disney game isn't the main reason.  Tried pointing this out earlier with my first post in this thread. THe only Disney games I see selling are Movie tie-ins and extremely casual stuff, and they're not pushing anywhere near KH1&2 numbers and I wouldn't put them in either of those two categories.

And i'm saying... that doesn't bear out.  RPG fans weren't the main drivers.  Think about it this way

A) The splits show that Final Fantasy fans were a small number of the people who bought on.

B) Non Final Fantasy RPGs don't sell nearly as well.

So there is obviously a different group who spurred things on.  Independent of RPG fans and Final Fantasy Fans. (Actually two different groups that intersect)

 

Your logic just doesn't bear out.



Kasz216 on 09 November 2009
Xoj said:
Kasz216 said:
Dgc1808 said:
@Soriku

What you're saying sounds like you're talking about the people who'll buy it just because it's heavily Disney related. Your statement about how each world is based on movies are true but when I played KH, each world had pretty much just the core plot and climax, they were all really short. Also your actions were way of topic. You were fighting enemies that were from Kingdom Hearts and not those specific worlds half the time.

People who buy movie games expect much longer and much more detailed and focused experiences on that particular movie than what KH games offer. It just doesn't seem right to even compare KH to movie tie-ins when you consider this. It's more like a cross-over game.

Also, Crisis Core and Tales atleast shows there's a market for action RPG's on PSP - Something the sales of those other games doesn't.

As for Epic Mickey and sales, Agent is PS Exclusive even though GTAIV sold much more on 360 than PS3. Agent still has the chance to be a success if made and marketed well. Gears this gen, Halo last gen, and MGS1 in the 5th gen show that exclusivity can be beneficial to getting an IP to really take off and creating their own fanbase.

And yet... thats why the first two KH games sold...  Once again... look at the advertsing for KH1 and KH2.  All it is, is a wide array of Disney characters.

I mean look at the sales Ratio of KH vs the sales ratio of Final Fantasy games when it comes to region.

 

It's fairly obvious that final fantasy fans are not a main driver... or even close to one.

actually sales were pretty similar for both FF12 and kh2.

No they weren't?

The ratios were completly different.

 

FF12

Japan 2.42

America 1.8

Europe 1.4

 

KH2

Japan 1.16

America 2.10

Europe .47.

 

The ratios are totally different.

The total sales are nearly the same... however WHERE they were sold pretty much proves that they are largely not the same consumers.



Xoj on 09 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
Xoj said:
Kasz216 said:
Dgc1808 said:
@Soriku

What you're saying sounds like you're talking about the people who'll buy it just because it's heavily Disney related. Your statement about how each world is based on movies are true but when I played KH, each world had pretty much just the core plot and climax, they were all really short. Also your actions were way of topic. You were fighting enemies that were from Kingdom Hearts and not those specific worlds half the time.

People who buy movie games expect much longer and much more detailed and focused experiences on that particular movie than what KH games offer. It just doesn't seem right to even compare KH to movie tie-ins when you consider this. It's more like a cross-over game.

Also, Crisis Core and Tales atleast shows there's a market for action RPG's on PSP - Something the sales of those other games doesn't.

As for Epic Mickey and sales, Agent is PS Exclusive even though GTAIV sold much more on 360 than PS3. Agent still has the chance to be a success if made and marketed well. Gears this gen, Halo last gen, and MGS1 in the 5th gen show that exclusivity can be beneficial to getting an IP to really take off and creating their own fanbase.

And yet... thats why the first two KH games sold...  Once again... look at the advertsing for KH1 and KH2.  All it is, is a wide array of Disney characters.

I mean look at the sales Ratio of KH vs the sales ratio of Final Fantasy games when it comes to region.

 

It's fairly obvious that final fantasy fans are not a main driver... or even close to one.

actually sales were pretty similar for both FF12 and kh2.

No they weren't?

The ratios were completly different.

 

FF12

Japan 2.42

America 1.8

Europe 1.4

 

KH2

Japan 1.16

America 2.10

Europe .47.

 

The ratios are totally different.

The total sales are nearly the same... however WHERE they were sold pretty much proves that they are largely not the same consumers.

if u are right i expect epic mickey to do kingdom hearts numbers with the time. and over 5 million life time.



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Kasz216 on 09 November 2009
Xoj said:
Kasz216 said:
Xoj said:
Kasz216 said:
Dgc1808 said:
@Soriku

What you're saying sounds like you're talking about the people who'll buy it just because it's heavily Disney related. Your statement about how each world is based on movies are true but when I played KH, each world had pretty much just the core plot and climax, they were all really short. Also your actions were way of topic. You were fighting enemies that were from Kingdom Hearts and not those specific worlds half the time.

People who buy movie games expect much longer and much more detailed and focused experiences on that particular movie than what KH games offer. It just doesn't seem right to even compare KH to movie tie-ins when you consider this. It's more like a cross-over game.

Also, Crisis Core and Tales atleast shows there's a market for action RPG's on PSP - Something the sales of those other games doesn't.

As for Epic Mickey and sales, Agent is PS Exclusive even though GTAIV sold much more on 360 than PS3. Agent still has the chance to be a success if made and marketed well. Gears this gen, Halo last gen, and MGS1 in the 5th gen show that exclusivity can be beneficial to getting an IP to really take off and creating their own fanbase.

And yet... thats why the first two KH games sold...  Once again... look at the advertsing for KH1 and KH2.  All it is, is a wide array of Disney characters.

I mean look at the sales Ratio of KH vs the sales ratio of Final Fantasy games when it comes to region.

 

It's fairly obvious that final fantasy fans are not a main driver... or even close to one.

actually sales were pretty similar for both FF12 and kh2.

No they weren't?

The ratios were completly different.

 

FF12

Japan 2.42

America 1.8

Europe 1.4

 

KH2

Japan 1.16

America 2.10

Europe .47.

 

The ratios are totally different.

The total sales are nearly the same... however WHERE they were sold pretty much proves that they are largely not the same consumers.

if u are right i expect epic mickey to do kingdom hearts numbers with the time. and over 5 million life time.

Eh, Depends.  Epic Mickey is largely based on Micky Mouse and "retro" titles.

While the Kingdom Hearts Series threw in everything new and more relevent.

Epic Micky is probably going to sell to a different crowd.

 

Not people who are fans of Disney... but people who are "hardcore" disney fans.  A lot of older people.  They're targetting Older gamers/Nostalgic new audience more then Kingdom Hearts which mostly targeted the newer fans of Disney and children advertising wise.

At the end of the day, i'd be surprised if there was much more overlap then Final Fantasy people.



NoCtiS_NoX on 09 November 2009

Why port it on the Wii if you can just port it to the PS2? PS2 has the majority of it's fanbase or am I wrong?



gustave154 on 09 November 2009

lol soriku you never cease to surprise me...
might as well port Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days while you are at it....
based on your logic i won't be surprised if KH3 ended up in Wii 0.o



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outlawauron on 09 November 2009

The thing about the FFXII and KH2 comparison is the assumption that all of the Final Fantasy fanbase bought the game. (Which we know is not true being it's one of the most hated in the series and the FF fanbase is the most divided fanbase ever)



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
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ShadowSoldier on 09 November 2009
outlawauron said:
The thing about the FFXII and KH2 comparison is the assumption that all of the Final Fantasy fanbase bought the game. (Which we know is not true being it's one of the most hated in the series and the FF fanbase is the most divided fanbase ever)

This. Can someone bring up the numbers for FFX? That should be a better comparison. KH1 Vs FFX and FFX-2



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