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psrock on 08 November 2009

@Selnor

you are only crying about this you were mostly responsible for a millions of thread created not really hype the games and telling us how great it was but how EXCLUSIVES to the 360 it was. You used that word so many times to start flaming wars, the site had to do something about.



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selnor on 08 November 2009
psrock said:
@Selnor

you are only crying about this you were mostly responsible for a millions of thread created not really hype the games and telling us how great it was but how EXCLUSIVES to the 360 it was. You used that word so many times to start flaming wars, the site had to do something about.


No. I used the word rightfully. It was those who threw it's not exclusive around that did the crying. To make the 360 look worse on exclsuives. And theres the point. Instead of use facts and show that PC isn't part of the console industry and has no affect, Mods chose to stop the use altogether. I deem to show that that os grossly incorrect and exactly what politicians do when they dont like to do the dirty work. I have alot of evidence. I'll take it to IOI and go from there when I'm done. 



Torillian on 08 November 2009
selnor said:
psrock said:
@Selnor

you are only crying about this you were mostly responsible for a millions of thread created not really hype the games and telling us how great it was but how EXCLUSIVES to the 360 it was. You used that word so many times to start flaming wars, the site had to do something about.


No. I used the word rightfully. It was those who threw it's not exclusive around that did the crying. To make the 360 look worse on exclsuives. And theres the point. Instead of use facts and show that PC isn't part of the console industry and has no affect, Mods chose to stop the use altogether. I deem to show that that os grossly incorrect and exactly what politicians do when they dont like to do the dirty work. I have alot of evidence. I'll take it to IOI and go from there when I'm done. 

It was entirely Naz's desicion.  You may want to try him first.



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selnor on 08 November 2009
Torillian said:
selnor said:
psrock said:
@Selnor

you are only crying about this you were mostly responsible for a millions of thread created not really hype the games and telling us how great it was but how EXCLUSIVES to the 360 it was. You used that word so many times to start flaming wars, the site had to do something about.


No. I used the word rightfully. It was those who threw it's not exclusive around that did the crying. To make the 360 look worse on exclsuives. And theres the point. Instead of use facts and show that PC isn't part of the console industry and has no affect, Mods chose to stop the use altogether. I deem to show that that os grossly incorrect and exactly what politicians do when they dont like to do the dirty work. I have alot of evidence. I'll take it to IOI and go from there when I'm done. 

It was entirely Naz's desicion.  You may want to try him first.


OK. wasn't aware of that. I'll do that first. It's one thing having a tidy site. It's another having dictation. VGChartz was awesome when I joined years ago. It's hard to see nowadays people post there feelings without running scared. But thanks for the info. I'll speak to Naz and show him the work and length of gone to to dispel this non exclusive myth.



Letin on 08 November 2009

rumors put ff vs 13 and ffxiv for 2010



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psrock on 08 November 2009
selnor said:
psrock said:
@Selnor

you are only crying about this you were mostly responsible for a millions of thread created not really hype the games and telling us how great it was but how EXCLUSIVES to the 360 it was. You used that word so many times to start flaming wars, the site had to do something about.


No. I used the word rightfully. It was those who threw it's not exclusive around that did the crying. To make the 360 look worse on exclsuives. And theres the point. Instead of use facts and show that PC isn't part of the console industry and has no affect, Mods chose to stop the use altogether. I deem to show that that os grossly incorrect and exactly what politicians do when they dont like to do the dirty work. I have alot of evidence. I'll take it to IOI and go from there when I'm done. 

That's why we use the term " console exclusive ".

 



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Haste262 on 08 November 2009
gustave154 said:
HD lineup for 2010 BEATS wii lineup hands down.
its a fact so don't start flaming now.


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ameratsu on 08 November 2009
selnor said:
Torillian said:
selnor said:

I'm currently putting together a 7 page document to the owners and designers of this site about this very thing. Yes Ive noticed this so called rule by a mod. But from the actual sales figures and background ifo I have been putting together clearly shows that console market exists alongside the PC not with it. Hopefully the sites creators will see this to, when they have my plea to save this site. Afterall my concerns for the action of the thread link you post are completely against trends, factual sales and the crossover gamers.

The definition is arbitrary, simply chosen for ease of remembering and to stop alot of really stupid arguments.  You can make a huge argument if you want, but I doubt it will acheive anything.

It's not arguing, it's dictation. The site has become less of a pleasure to use. And thats alot due to people not giving their honest opinions anymore for fear of bans. It's pretty clear PC and Console don't compete for an array of reasons. So an exclsuive to a console should be viewed as such, if we are talking Hardware sales and software sales. Isn't that what the site is? After all if say FF13 was 360/PC this gen, that would sell a HEAP of 360's and almost certainly give PS3 it's coffin. See my point? PC gamer knows he is a PC gamer. He spends money upgrading and will always do so. He will have on through any console generation. a console owner will likely not be upgrading his PC he uses for Internet Explorer, and Splinter Cell being on PC for example is not gonna make him change his decision about which console to own for what games.

 

First thing, you should be glad you post on a forum that allows criticism of official policy. Publicly dissenting on some other fourms = ban, maybe permaban.

That said, the exclusive rule was necessary, discussions were being derailed by inappropriate use of the term. Take this thread for example, which is by no means an isolated incident. Someone makes a thread proclaiming a new game is 360 exclusive. No other relevant information is provided! Nothing about the developer, genre, or anything except that it's "exclusive" to 360. Maybe now that people can no longer state multiplats to be exclusive, they might try and make thread titles more factual so those who glance by recent topics get a fairly clear idea of what the thread's about.

Your generalizations about pc and console gamers are hazardous at best. A console-only gamer could easily not own a current generation console, playing his ps2 and enjoying that just fine. He, just as your hypthetical PC gamer, may not worry about the current genration consoles, rather playing and enjoying what he has. In this case, I fail to see the distinction you arbitrarily made, as there will be always be those who want the latest things, just as there will be those who are okay using older hardware. This is not console/pc issue at all.

Finally, how does PCs/consoles competing or not competing have any relevance to this? The issue was people using the term exclusive where it simply wasn't the case, creating confusion and derailing arguments. I could be entirely wrong here, but I would venture a guess that naz did this so there would less threads created by those obessesed with exclusives, and more threads by those interested in the games themselves. Additionally, all those who would previously interject into threads saying "but wait... this is on PC as well" won't post and perhaps instead contribute something to the topic.



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luisgvm on 08 November 2009

omg!!. all the consoles have great exclusives!!. people dont fight please!. 2010 will be amazing for everyone!.



selnor on 08 November 2009
ameratsu said:
selnor said:
Torillian said:
selnor said:

I'm currently putting together a 7 page document to the owners and designers of this site about this very thing. Yes Ive noticed this so called rule by a mod. But from the actual sales figures and background ifo I have been putting together clearly shows that console market exists alongside the PC not with it. Hopefully the sites creators will see this to, when they have my plea to save this site. Afterall my concerns for the action of the thread link you post are completely against trends, factual sales and the crossover gamers.

The definition is arbitrary, simply chosen for ease of remembering and to stop alot of really stupid arguments.  You can make a huge argument if you want, but I doubt it will acheive anything.

It's not arguing, it's dictation. The site has become less of a pleasure to use. And thats alot due to people not giving their honest opinions anymore for fear of bans. It's pretty clear PC and Console don't compete for an array of reasons. So an exclsuive to a console should be viewed as such, if we are talking Hardware sales and software sales. Isn't that what the site is? After all if say FF13 was 360/PC this gen, that would sell a HEAP of 360's and almost certainly give PS3 it's coffin. See my point? PC gamer knows he is a PC gamer. He spends money upgrading and will always do so. He will have on through any console generation. a console owner will likely not be upgrading his PC he uses for Internet Explorer, and Splinter Cell being on PC for example is not gonna make him change his decision about which console to own for what games.

 

First thing, you should be glad you post on a forum that allows criticism of official policy. Publicly dissenting on some other fourms = ban, maybe permaban.

That said, the exclusive rule was necessary, discussions were being derailed by inappropriate use of the term. Take this thread for example, which is by no means an isolated incident. Someone makes a thread proclaiming a new game is 360 exclusive. No other relevant information is provided! Nothing about the developer, genre, or anything except that it's "exclusive" to 360. Maybe now that people can no longer state multiplats to be exclusive, they might try and make thread titles more factual so those who glance by recent topics get a fairly clear idea of what the thread's about.

Your generalizations about pc and console gamers are hazardous at best. A console-only gamer could easily not own a current generation console, playing his ps2 and enjoying that just fine. He, just as your hypthetical PC gamer, may not worry about the current genration consoles, rather playing and enjoying what he has. In this case, I fail to see the distinction you arbitrarily made, as there will be always be those who want the latest things, just as there will be those who are okay using older hardware. This is not console/pc issue at all.

Finally, how does PCs/consoles competiting or not competiting have any relevance to this? The issue was people using the term exclusive where it simply wasn't the case, creating confusion and derailing arguments. I could be entirely wrong here, but I would venture a guess that naz did this so there would less threads created by those obessesed with exclusives, and more by those interested in the games themselves. Additionally, all those who would previously interject into threads saying "but wait... this is on PC as well" won't post and instead contribute something to the topic.

 

 

 

Can you explain to me then why a perfectly good thread showing exclsuives for next year on 360 was locked? The M$ community and many Sony fans to on this site were enjoying the thread. 2, thats right 2 users came in with the not exclusive stuff and ruined a great thread. And Dont really get your point about the PS2 and upgrading to new console? You lost me.

By what you have written a thread like this PS3 vs 360 Exclusives is about only those consoles. And going by what you wrote I assume and the way it comes across is that your fine with putting Splinter Cell Conviction and FF14 on the list. As they are not competing with the PC market therefore in a market on ther own. ? I concur.