@ ironman

Yes, a Console and a PC are very differant. the lines are starting to blurr, but there is a disticntion. You are trying to compair apples to oranges to validate a failed argument. No matter what way you look at it, the xbox was a new console to the market.

For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleco_Adam

Or for example the Amiga was an ultra high end home computer / desktop computer (with pre-emptive mulit-tasking, 4096 colors and stereo audio at a time when Mac/PC rivals were single-tasking, 2 color, beeping or soundless crappy machinery), which was aimed to be a console at first because of investors, despite developer ambitions to design a full computer. Eventually they quickly turned it into a full computer because of the games market crash at the time.

That is completely irrelevant! When the xbox entered the market, it was a NEW CONSOLE. I really don't know why you can't admit to that. There is no way around it. It was not a new computer, it was a new console. It was a console that was new to the the consumers. How many other ways do I need to put this?

I am saying it's nothing remarkable this step from desktop to console (or vice versa). For example the most innovative virtual reality arcade machines had an Amiga 3000 at their core. Also for example Microsoft already had Windows CE (for example also running on PocketPCs) with DirectX running on the Sega Dreamcast as its operating system.

WTF so currently the PS3 is at a 4.7 billion dollar loss...

And Ps2 was pure profit so let's say on average the first 80 million or so ps3's made a 50 dollar profit= 4 billion

the next 50 million maybe made 20 dollars = 1 billion

and so we can assume the PS2 as a system made 3- 5 billion on the console alone

And GT series alone has been name a billion dollar franchise... but that away from the point.

Sony has sold nearly 1.5 billion peices of CD software and at 5-10 dollars profit for sony= 5- 15 billion

And let's throw in another 500 million in head stets and other accesrioes

So sony possibly made 5-25 billion dollars in those years because sony stock was valued at 150 even with a stock split.

So no they didnt drain 6th generation funds PS3 cost 3 billion to devolop so it's at a lost of between 4.7-8 billion.

So if it took 3.5 years for 5 billion dollar debt than in twice the time it should pay off because by 720 release 360 support will be cut off PS3 support wont so if it take twice the time to pay off sony will make a profit in it's 10 PS3 year or less.

Why noone counts a profit, that Sony is making with Blu-ray??? And that mostly thanks to PS3.

You people understand, that those losses are mainly because of early adoption of the blu-ray?
Only because.

If PS3 would have a dvd, there wouldn`t be losses, but there also wouldn`t be so amazing games like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet and others. They would be different and definitely not as amazing as current released ones.

Sony decided to look ahead and add blu-ray. That cost them a lot of money, but also a winning in HD format battle.
And now, after 3 years, they are on the way of winning HD console battle.

^ They haven't made any money on Blu Ray directly yet... They have spent a lot of money on the Blu Ray production facilities and disc technologies. This alone has not been recouped yet.

^ Do you have information, by what time they will recoup them?

While on PS3 side, starting from next fiscal year they should be making profit from HW.
And with Gran Turismo 5 also a lot of profit.

^ They lost $14M? I think in their financials. I can't remember where I saw it so they will probably pull in a profit on their Blu Ray production this quarter.