the guy I reply to is saying that Wii2 and nextbox will release not long now so sony wont have a choice but to follow you on the other hand is saying market leaders are only one that can stay for 10 years in market which is Wii this gen so which one is it???? unless your saying Wii won't last long either.....

Only Sony consoles have continued to sell into the next generations, and thats because they've been future proofed to an extent. The same will happen with the ps3 with bluray being the biggest factor.

NES continued to sell for years after the launch of the SNES

PS3 was expensive because it quality and packs everything in. PS2 also have DVD it have more expensive due that than the GC games were bigger and so games like god of war were created.

...really? Well first off, the PS3 is quantity, not quality. The two are very differant. Sony figured that brand name and more technical features would sell the machine...it failed. Also, I fail to see how DVD a MAINSTREAM format has anything to do with Bluray which has yet to reach mainstream, mainly because HD has failed to reach mainstream yet.

the ps3 as a whole everything was expensive, from the XDR rambus ram the cpu custom design (at first), all ps3 have a HDD, it packed bluetooth and wifi, both things 360 LACKS.

Yes, the 360 lacks those features for a reason. they are both costly and unecesary. Incedentally, this may be why the 360 is cheaper, and why it is ahead. Once again qauntity doe NOT = quality. Something only fanboys forget.

blu ray was just logical it was a technology they had since 2003 in japan, it allow bigger games and remove the need for extras disc and give ability to the ps3 to play HD movies.

No, Bluray was not logical, it was expensive, and it was in the middle of a format war. infact it's pointless to have blueray if you don't have an HD TV...and last time I checked, HD didn't even have a 35% penetration. Admittedly, that was some time ago, but my point still stands, at the time Sony decided to put bluray into their machine, HD was NOT a standerd in most households. It would have been smarter to put bluray in NEXT gen.

sony did everything they had to stay afloat like microsoft failed quality control and 1 billion+ rrod control, or draining 6 billion on the original xbox.

LMAO!!! Sony did NOT do everything they had to to stay afloat. Your whole sentace makes no sence, but of course you had to throw in a jab at the RROD which is a non issue now. Sony FAILED when they released an overpriced, bloated (featurewise) console and then expected everybody to get a second job to pay for it. They honsetly thought that brand name and features would carry it. well, you can see how well that went.

MS lost money on the origional Xbox because they were not trying to make money, they were trying to gain recognition and setting themselves up to reap the rewards this gen. It's something all new businesses do, It's business 101. And hey look, it paid off!!!

As for the "failed quality control" that is a failed statement. had this been around the launch of the 360, I would agree with you, but now, RROD is almost a non issue, although quite a few YLOD are popping up now, and all of them out of the sorry excuse that is a one year warranty. At least MS admitted their mistakes and tried to rectify the situation. (see I can play your game too! You like???)

You sound absolutely ridiculous. The ultimate insecure console fan.

@ Ironman

No, it is selling so well because it has reached a good price point. plain and simple.

With regard to the PS3 feature set, they set good standards because it made sense when looking at the long run. For example the PS3 had HDMI from the start, it was added to the 360 later on, would it really have been bad to allow every 360 user to connect their HDTV through a HDMI cable for better quality / comfort?

Once again, you can have all the features in the world, but if they are something the majority of consumers will not use, and they make the console cost more than consumers are willing to pay, well, don't expect it to sell well.

Most developers complained about the lack of space available on a 6.8 GB XBox 360 disc. If the 360 had more storage multiplatform and 360 exclusives would surely have seen a big benefit.

Funny, they weren't complaining about it last gen, and multiple discs is still a viable option. Other than you, I have heard nobody say that devs are complaining.

Many developers have also spoken out that they would have wished all 360s to have come with a default harddrive to take advantage of.

As do I, but it didn't, and hey, wadda you know, they are still second place.

Technically the PS3 is just far more geared towards a long term future than the 360 was. Entry pricing has become less of an issue and 1st parties are really showing off what the technology can do. I think the high specs, extra features, etc are becoming more and more selling points.

sure but I firmly believe too much damage has been done, even some of the PS3 people are now saying the PS3 probably won't even break even this gen.

Your loss, you are one person, not the masses of "average" consumers.

Oh yes, as far as overall business was concerned, but as far as the PS3 goes, it was not. And that was the point I was making.

Not in console gaming. The rest of your point is moot for that very fact.

I think with the 360 Microsoft lost a lot of its reputation by keeping many of their games off Windows. PC/Mac fans had to buy unreliable failure prone consoles to play sequals to popular Microsoft published games (like Halo 3, Gears 2 and Fable 2) and to add injury to insult, now even have to pay for subscription to play online and be content with graphically subpar versions compared to gat they were used to.

...I fail to see how any of this has anything to do with the topic at hand, you are just as bad as xoj...get a life dude.

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@ ironman

Way to toot your own horn. I really don't care as I was not one of those people. Plus, that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Even so, with a much higher entry pricing, Microsoft shifting focus from PC gaming towards XBox and an extra holiday season (5 extra months) the fat PS3 still considerably outsold the 360 taking equal timeframes.

Once again, irrelevant. I already said the slim + pricecut was something Sony is finally doing right. Of course the slim is going to start selling more than the 360...but mainly because the pricepoint is finally right.

That is a viable assumption since HD is still not mainstream. Mayby adults without the money, or adults who feel there is no need to upgrade just yet...so yes, given the numbers I have seen, yes. This was especially true with the earlier models.

so...one source...wow, thats hardly "many devs".

Some games can be more easily cut into pieces than others, it's well known a lot was cut out of GTA IV for example to fit DVD.

And it was still a big hit...go figure.

Your loss for not watching a show or movie or playing a game because you are to elitist to. And exactly where did I say you prefer to be "average" Your analogy was fail because as I said before you are one person and are practicall ireelevant in the grand scheme of things.

For all I care, I and my friends would be the only PS3 users on earth, as long as Sony keeps pumping out those high budget top quality exclusives for us!

No, PC games are PC games.a PC is a completely diferant animal than a PC. the Xbox was MS's first stab into the console gaming market, naturally, rather than try to make a profit, they chose to do what all smart businesses do, take a loss in order to gain recognition.

AS A CONSOLE.