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Xelloss on 06 November 2009
JaggedSac said:
Xelloss said:

Well, the thing is - Quakelive uses dedicated servers.. even though it also has a ranking and tier system, the social networking features, and even a matchmaking service ( that I personally have never used).

Quakelive is actually the best current Pioneer IMO of the direction things need to go, if a retail game worked like Qlive but also offered 3rd parties to rent/operate semi-private dedicated servers that operated within their framework, and support for mods.... I think it would be outstanding.

The core of the issue here, is some businesspeople in the industry have fallen in love with the Xbox live/Halo model... and instead of taking away the good things about that model and applying it to PC sensibilities, and superior PC capabilities... they are abandoning what is good about PC... which makes no sense.

There is absolutely room to improve the PC server-browsing experience, but throwing away the PC server entirely is utterly retarded.

Excellent post.

The Live/Halo model of matchmaking is definitely not the only possible solution.  But the Quake Live solution can be expensive.  id has gone on record as saying the ad revenue is not covering the server costs.  There are improvements that could be made to both.

 

 True, in all fairness though - I have barely seen any ads in Qlive. But the general idea was that retail sales pay for the server infrastructure - just like IW expects for sales to pay for IWnet, sales paid for EA massive hosting of EA sponsored BF2 ranked servers, etc. Also, EA set a precent of injecting themselves into the revenue stream of the dedicated server market, I believe it costs money (paid to EA ) to privately host ranked BF2 server inderectly through their partnership programs with major hosting providers.

 IP holders getting a piece of the dedi server revenue in exchange for hooking it up to their social networking infrastructure, while still utilizing key features of the PC community is a much better future IMO than a PC dominated by the Live/Halo model.

 



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JaggedSac on 06 November 2009
Xelloss said:
JaggedSac said:
Xelloss said:

Well, the thing is - Quakelive uses dedicated servers.. even though it also has a ranking and tier system, the social networking features, and even a matchmaking service ( that I personally have never used).

Quakelive is actually the best current Pioneer IMO of the direction things need to go, if a retail game worked like Qlive but also offered 3rd parties to rent/operate semi-private dedicated servers that operated within their framework, and support for mods.... I think it would be outstanding.

The core of the issue here, is some businesspeople in the industry have fallen in love with the Xbox live/Halo model... and instead of taking away the good things about that model and applying it to PC sensibilities, and superior PC capabilities... they are abandoning what is good about PC... which makes no sense.

There is absolutely room to improve the PC server-browsing experience, but throwing away the PC server entirely is utterly retarded.

Excellent post.

The Live/Halo model of matchmaking is definitely not the only possible solution.  But the Quake Live solution can be expensive.  id has gone on record as saying the ad revenue is not covering the server costs.  There are improvements that could be made to both.

 

 True, in all fairness though - I have barely seen any ads in Qlive. But the general idea was that retail sales pay for the server infrastructure - just like IW expects for sales to pay for IWnet, sales paid for EA massive hosting of EA sponsored BF2 ranked servers, etc. Also, EA set a precent of injecting themselves into the revenue stream of the dedicated server market, I believe it costs money (paid to EA ) to privately host ranked BF2 server inderectly through their partnership programs with major hosting providers.

 IP holders getting a piece of the dedi server revenue in exchange for hooking it up to their social networking infrastructure, while still utilizing key features of the PC community is a much better future IMO than a PC dominated by the Live/Halo model.

 

Good points.  We shall see how all this turns out.  Interesting times.



TheThunder on 06 November 2009

This might as well be the end of PC gaming as we know it for so long.

Fuck I hope MW2 PC bombs so hard that this idea will never occur to any other developer. I mean for fuck sake that developer from IW proudly saying Text chat and mouse control support like they were ground breaking features what the FUCK MAN !!!

I still can't believe Cramack out of all those devs he would be the one to cut PC gaming balls.



huaxiong90 on 06 November 2009
TheThunder said:
This might as well be the end of PC gaming as we know it for so long.

Fuck I hope MW2 PC bombs so hard that this idea will never occur to any other developer. I mean for fuck sake that developer from IW proudly saying Text chat and mouse control support like they were ground breaking features what the FUCK MAN !!!

I still can't believe Cramack out of all those devs he would be the one to cut PC gaming balls.

If Valve go this direction, all hope is lost...



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Scoobes on 06 November 2009
huaxiong90 said:
TheThunder said:
This might as well be the end of PC gaming as we know it for so long.

Fuck I hope MW2 PC bombs so hard that this idea will never occur to any other developer. I mean for fuck sake that developer from IW proudly saying Text chat and mouse control support like they were ground breaking features what the FUCK MAN !!!

I still can't believe Cramack out of all those devs he would be the one to cut PC gaming balls.

If Valve go this direction, all hope is lost...

Valve wouldn't do this... unless it was a sick April Fool joke. I mean, they wouldn't... would they?

I'm hoping that IW and Activision realise pretty damn quick that it was a mistake to remove DS and no1 ever brings up this stupid idea again.




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Procrastinato on 06 November 2009

Erm... looks like I'll be playing L4D2 and MAG pretty much exclusively next year.

Man I hope BF: BC2 has them.



 

Zkuq on 06 November 2009

Valve would definitely do this, provided MW2 doesn't flop terribly.



huaxiong90 on 06 November 2009
Scoobes said:
huaxiong90 said:
TheThunder said:
This might as well be the end of PC gaming as we know it for so long.

Fuck I hope MW2 PC bombs so hard that this idea will never occur to any other developer. I mean for fuck sake that developer from IW proudly saying Text chat and mouse control support like they were ground breaking features what the FUCK MAN !!!

I still can't believe Cramack out of all those devs he would be the one to cut PC gaming balls.

If Valve go this direction, all hope is lost...

Valve wouldn't do this... unless it was a sick April Fool joke. I mean, they wouldn't... would they?

I'm hoping that IW and Activision realise pretty damn quick that it was a mistake to remove DS and no1 ever brings up this stupid idea again.

I'm positive they wouldn't. They know how to handle their PC community well.

 

I just read recently that Robert Bowling isn't ignoring the complaints of the PC community regarding DS, by the way.



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Spiteful49 on 06 November 2009

So why would a company do this? Sorry I am ignorant on the subject but what business advantages does it have to take away dedicated server support? There has to be a reason they are doing this.



Mudface on 06 November 2009

I just read recently that Robert Bowling isn't ignoring the complaints of the PC community regarding DS, by the way.

 

What's the cunt doing- cackling madly?