surely the people who actually compare the holocoust to helath care reform have less taste?

@Nkaj

are they not the same? They are willing to use the holocaust for their own political gain/opinion. The only difference is that vagbon is not in a political office and he went the extra mile.

sorry dont quite get what political gain vagbon is getting....i mean he isnt suggesting that it is the equivalent to the holocaust but instead just examining how inapporpiate their statement was...

"Fox just says their not biased...but i say they are...so clearly i am rite!....look at these opinion shows they have on the air...see how they give their opinions??!? PROOF fox is teh most biased!"

Long live the meme...may it never die, may it never meet logic it cannot defy, and may it always be a trusty fallback non-argument!

Seriously...its beyond ridiculous that people still buy into this at this point.....it is pure blinding bias on your part that convinces you fox is worse.  You disagree with them more than any other network and so you view them as the biggest example of bias.  All of the networks are terrible, and none of them is discernably better or worse than the others. Period.

@CK,

Where have you been?  There have been plenty of Conservatives, Libertarians, and Liberals alike that were screaming about Bush's lack of fiscal responsibility for a long while.   The argument is absurd for that reason alone.

But it is even more absurd when you realize that the liberals who bitched about Bush's fiscal policies have no problem with Obama's which are worse by a far.  

So now you've engaged in two pointless and irrelevant arguments in the one thread.  Pointing out the stupid crap that happens in politics is one thing, but when you're being as disengenous as you have been to suggest that it is lopsided, well that is just ridiculous.  Both sides have crazy protestors, and both sides have amnesia and blinders when it comes to their party's wrongs.

But you know what, beyond being a disengenous argument your point is moot .  Let us dig up the National debt road trip video:

To recap:

Bush was going 64mph, and Obama got in the car and slammed the gas vaulting us up to 174mph.  

So when you say "Why are you only NOW worried about spending?".....

I would say I was worried even under bush, but I would also ask you if you would be worried about your friend who was going 64mph?  And then whether you would object if he suddenly slammed on the gas and got up to 174mph with the engine revving pushing to go even faster?

A lot of the outrage, especially from independants comes from this fact.  We can debate how much of the conservative/libertarian movement is amnesia VS legitimate terror at our new pace...but what you cannot do is argue that there is no good reason for the sudden alarm.  And that makes the fact that some are doing it out of amnesia completely and totally moot. 

We need to slow the hell down regardless of why people are objecting. Defending reckless fiscal policy because the other side is right for the wrong reason would make you just as petty as those who are bitching out of partisanship...in fact that is really exactly what you are doing.

Is my grammar really that bad?

I didn't havea go at any other networks correct. What do you want me to do draw up a long list of all the networks and periodically discuss their bias? Especially when replying to a post about about Fox. Come on.

Now if you look at my statement I said I didn't like Fox news because it says it is "Fair and balanced", you don't need to be a genius to see that is a lie. Fox news lie to the right, that is clear as day. What gets to me is why does it have to have the slogan "fair and balanced" when it is a complete lie? Why not something honest like "Protecting conservative values" or "The best source for right wings news".

The real truth is that I wouldn't have a much a problem if it was open and honest about being right wing. But it's not.

I mean it's clear they are right wing. I mean they have right wing journalists like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly to gain a right wing a vantage point. Do all news companies do that? Of course they do. I'm not a complete idiot like most people think, I do know that. Why do they do it? Because neutral news doesn't sell as well, all news is biased. But most News companies don't go on a trip about being neutral when they are not.

I'm not going to lie, your post has actually really annoyed me.

I am really glad I watched that video, thanks.

I really don't understand how I'm gaining politically from my use of a holocaust photo. My intent was to show how ridiculously stupid such comparison's are, and that it is insane that Halogamer could agree with it. The photo is no more tasteless than anything you'd see at the holocaust museum, and my use of it was not for gain, but to remind that the holocaust was one of if not the most egregious crimes against humanity that has ever been committed, and that such hyperbole shows ones gross ignorance, or perhaps inhumanity.

employing the same tactic as a radio shock jock is not justifiable.

You mean using an object lesson  as to why such hyperbole is unjustified? Have you been to the holocaust museum? That picture is TAME compared to what else I could have shown from their exibits. That picture IS tasteful restraint. The very fact that such a picture is tame only goes further to show how obscene such a comparison is. A shock jock makes absurd and offensive comments and comparisons to illicit a response. I showed reality, a reality that I think everyone should know about so that it is never repeated or taken lightly. Is the holocaust museum tasteless for showing starving naked men lined up ready to be executed? Or how about showing videos taken by Nazi doctors of the expirements done to jews? Or videos of mounds of dead naked bodies being bulldozed into pits? Somebody needs to go to DC and inform them how tasteless they are being by showing us reality so that we don't take it lightly.

Sending you a PM so we don't de-rail the thread.