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Carl on 03 November 2009
saicho said:
Carl2291 said:
saicho said:

1. I don't know Avinash.

2. The thread has turned into a childish play between you and Avinash. Again. When Avinash finally brought up a valid point, you continued mocking it which is the only point I called you out on. Can you enlighten me how Avinahs was trolling by providing the Miyamoto article?

1. You are a lucky guy.

2. The thread turned into me mocking him and his usual time machine stuff. Also, i never said the link was trolling. I gave him a bit of evidence to show that the guy aint always right

2. which is why I quoted your second post, not the first one, although the so-called evidence can be argued. Miyamoto wouldn't have any influence on how many copies a game can sell. However, he would definitely have a lot of influence on when Nintendo's next console will be released.

Does that change the fact that he isn't always right?



                            

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kutasek on 03 November 2009
saicho said:
kutasek said:
Carl2291 said:
saicho said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Also Miyamoto hints that the next Nintendo console is a while off

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/nov2009/id2009111_025798.htm?chan=innovation_innovation+%2B+design_top+stories

Miyamoto also thought Wii Music/ Animal Crossing would be amazingly amazing for sales.

True, but he's probably very involved in the console development, so if he's saying that its still much they can do with the Wii, it'll be a while befor e their next console

Pachter is also very involved with the industry itself, not just Nintendo. He says Wii HD will be out by late next year.

I know who i believe!

so you are saying the nidustry watcher has more knowledge on the progress of the new console than the person who designs the console.

makes great sense.

What makes sense is that you call me out for stuff i say when Avinash has spouted his usual bullshit for most of the thread.

Makes great sense

Nintendo defense force to the rescue, I'll say.

Does it always have to come to this?

Carl already called out on Avinash's crazy numbers. I didn't want to get into it.

Finally Avinash brought up a point that makes sense. Carl still trolled it. I called him out on that and that makes me Nintendo Defense Force? ok then.

I thought i was making a compliment, it makes you sound legit. You know, like you're a part of something.:)



Avinash_Tyagi on 03 November 2009
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 

So you're trying to compare Katuragi to Iwata, seriously? If Iwata says that their next console will have HD and says that he won't price a console over $250, its not just bluster, he doesn't say things without a reason The Wii vitality sensor is still a ways off, they'll reveal the software at E3 2010, the Sony wand already has its launch software set, Wii fit and Wii sports are already out, so the Sony wand will have to compete with its launch software against those games.

Kutaragi didnt say things without a reason either. Are you flaming/trolling Ken? I sure hope not.

No it doesn't. It has part of its launch software set... With Gran Turismo 5 also rumored to be usable with it. I think so far there is one game confirmed... Resident Evil 5. Which is by no means a bad choice. Im surprised the WIi didn't get a RE5: Wii Edition actually.

Why do you think this is?

I don't need to troll Ken, he trolled himself, that's why he's no longer at Sony, lol Even if you include GT5, it still doesn't have the games to target the expanded audience, its games are targeting the core audience

I agree with you on that one actually. And GT5 doesn't go to just the core, it goes to both markets. Thats how the games manage to sell massive amounts.

Well we don't know if it will sell massive amounts, the only GT on PS3 sold about 3 million, it was on the PS2 that GT sold over 10 million, on a console with over 130 million units sold, so actually not a huge attach rate

GT5:Prologue has sold just under 4 million including downloads. For comparison, GT4:Prologue sold 1.36 Million.

GT4 ended up with over 10 Million sales.


Yeah, but there was already a GT on the system, so no real need to go out and buy the prologue to 4, on the PS3 there has yet to be a full fledged GT, not to mention, most PS3's are not fully BW compatible, so you can't just put an older GT into the console. So why was demand for the prologue only around 4 million?

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 03 November 2009
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
saicho said:

1. I don't know Avinash.

2. The thread has turned into a childish play between you and Avinash. Again. When Avinash finally brought up a valid point, you continued mocking it which is the only point I called you out on. Can you enlighten me how Avinahs was trolling by providing the Miyamoto article?

1. You are a lucky guy.

2. The thread turned into me mocking him and his usual time machine stuff. Also, i never said the link was trolling. I gave him a bit of evidence to show that the guy aint always right


lol, you think he isn't right about the console he's helping to design? lol

Well him hinting it is a while off could mean 1 year. 2 years. Who knows?

I gave you something to show that these people arent always right in what they say. I even gave you a comment from Ken Kutaragi.


Again he's designing the console, why wouldn't he be right about when it'll be done? Also if you read the article, it says its at least a few years off and Miyamoto says there is still much left to be done with the Wii

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Carl on 03 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 

So you're trying to compare Katuragi to Iwata, seriously? If Iwata says that their next console will have HD and says that he won't price a console over $250, its not just bluster, he doesn't say things without a reason The Wii vitality sensor is still a ways off, they'll reveal the software at E3 2010, the Sony wand already has its launch software set, Wii fit and Wii sports are already out, so the Sony wand will have to compete with its launch software against those games.

Kutaragi didnt say things without a reason either. Are you flaming/trolling Ken? I sure hope not.

No it doesn't. It has part of its launch software set... With Gran Turismo 5 also rumored to be usable with it. I think so far there is one game confirmed... Resident Evil 5. Which is by no means a bad choice. Im surprised the WIi didn't get a RE5: Wii Edition actually.

Why do you think this is?

I don't need to troll Ken, he trolled himself, that's why he's no longer at Sony, lol Even if you include GT5, it still doesn't have the games to target the expanded audience, its games are targeting the core audience

I agree with you on that one actually. And GT5 doesn't go to just the core, it goes to both markets. Thats how the games manage to sell massive amounts.

Well we don't know if it will sell massive amounts, the only GT on PS3 sold about 3 million, it was on the PS2 that GT sold over 10 million, on a console with over 130 million units sold, so actually not a huge attach rate

GT5:Prologue has sold just under 4 million including downloads. For comparison, GT4:Prologue sold 1.36 Million.

GT4 ended up with over 10 Million sales.

Yeah, but there was already a GT on the system, so no real need to go out and buy the prologue to 4, on the PS3 there has yet to be a full fledged GT, not to mention, most PS3's are not fully BW compatible, so you can't just put an older GT into the console. So why was demand for the prologue only around 4 million?

Because it is only the Prologue?

Anyway, its late here and i need sleep. Cya



                            

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Avinash_Tyagi on 03 November 2009

^ yeah but its also the only GT on the system, so if there are really 10 million people plus waiting for the full fledged version as you infer, why didn't they buy the prologue to tide them over?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Carl on 03 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
saicho said:

1. I don't know Avinash.

2. The thread has turned into a childish play between you and Avinash. Again. When Avinash finally brought up a valid point, you continued mocking it which is the only point I called you out on. Can you enlighten me how Avinahs was trolling by providing the Miyamoto article?

1. You are a lucky guy.

2. The thread turned into me mocking him and his usual time machine stuff. Also, i never said the link was trolling. I gave him a bit of evidence to show that the guy aint always right


lol, you think he isn't right about the console he's helping to design? lol

Well him hinting it is a while off could mean 1 year. 2 years. Who knows?

I gave you something to show that these people arent always right in what they say. I even gave you a comment from Ken Kutaragi.

Again he's designing the console, why wouldn't he be right about when it'll be done? Also if you read the article, it says its at least a few years off and Miyamoto says there is still much left to be done with the Wii

"A few years" would be inline with what i originaly said, and what you said wouldn't happen. 2011-2012.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2784796

This time i really am going to bed...



                            

Ail on 03 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 

So you're trying to compare Katuragi to Iwata, seriously? If Iwata says that their next console will have HD and says that he won't price a console over $250, its not just bluster, he doesn't say things without a reason The Wii vitality sensor is still a ways off, they'll reveal the software at E3 2010, the Sony wand already has its launch software set, Wii fit and Wii sports are already out, so the Sony wand will have to compete with its launch software against those games.

Kutaragi didnt say things without a reason either. Are you flaming/trolling Ken? I sure hope not.

No it doesn't. It has part of its launch software set... With Gran Turismo 5 also rumored to be usable with it. I think so far there is one game confirmed... Resident Evil 5. Which is by no means a bad choice. Im surprised the WIi didn't get a RE5: Wii Edition actually.

Why do you think this is?

I don't need to troll Ken, he trolled himself, that's why he's no longer at Sony, lol Even if you include GT5, it still doesn't have the games to target the expanded audience, its games are targeting the core audience

I agree with you on that one actually. And GT5 doesn't go to just the core, it goes to both markets. Thats how the games manage to sell massive amounts.

Well we don't know if it will sell massive amounts, the only GT on PS3 sold about 3 million, it was on the PS2 that GT sold over 10 million, on a console with over 130 million units sold, so actually not a huge attach rate

GT5:Prologue has sold just under 4 million including downloads. For comparison, GT4:Prologue sold 1.36 Million.

GT4 ended up with over 10 Million sales.

Yeah, but there was already a GT on the system, so no real need to go out and buy the prologue to 4, on the PS3 there has yet to be a full fledged GT, not to mention, most PS3's are not fully BW compatible, so you can't just put an older GT into the console. So why was demand for the prologue only around 4 million?

so which demo sold over 4 millions units on any other console ?

heck which demo even sold 1 unit ?

None, they are all free or people woudn't get them..

And here you have a glorified demo that sells 4 millions units and you still find ways to argue with it...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Avinash_Tyagi on 03 November 2009
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
saicho said:

1. I don't know Avinash.

2. The thread has turned into a childish play between you and Avinash. Again. When Avinash finally brought up a valid point, you continued mocking it which is the only point I called you out on. Can you enlighten me how Avinahs was trolling by providing the Miyamoto article?

1. You are a lucky guy.

2. The thread turned into me mocking him and his usual time machine stuff. Also, i never said the link was trolling. I gave him a bit of evidence to show that the guy aint always right


lol, you think he isn't right about the console he's helping to design? lol

Well him hinting it is a while off could mean 1 year. 2 years. Who knows?

I gave you something to show that these people arent always right in what they say. I even gave you a comment from Ken Kutaragi.

Again he's designing the console, why wouldn't he be right about when it'll be done? Also if you read the article, it says its at least a few years off and Miyamoto says there is still much left to be done with the Wii

"A few years" would be inline with what i originaly said, and what you said wouldn't happen. 2011-2012.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2784796

This time i really am going to bed...


No, few is more than two, a couple would be two, so its more like 2012-2014

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

tedsteriscool on 03 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^ yeah but its also the only GT on the system, so if there are really 10 million people plus waiting for the full fledged version as you infer, why didn't they buy the prologue to tide them over?

He already answered this question...

"Because it is only the Prologue?"

Not many people are willing to shell out $40 for a "demo."

Twist it how you will. I like to visit imaginationland on occasion, but this is too much for me.