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Munkeh111 said:
Did anyone enjoy the combat at all? I only played it through once, without using guns, and still thought the hand to hand combat was rubbish, but the free running was great

I loved the combat... eventually. After I played it enough to be able to disarm enemies with one try every time I actually looked forward to all the combat sequences. Once you got good at combat, it was very rewarding.



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Combat should have been a lot better considering it was made by DICE, the makers of the Battlefield series



Hmmm... I realy enjoyed the original but definately room for improvement:

- Reduce or improve combat
- Make the levels a bit more open and less linear in the campaign. The game was very good at giving the illusion of complete freedom but I would have prefered some of the levels to be a bit more free
- Better storytelling... I just didn't care by the end
- Much longer campaign mode
- Either make this a PC exclusive or include Keyboard and mouse support on the consoles. Dual analog feels really pathetic after playing on the PC.

- Finally, a Wii version might be worth looking at as the controls could work nicely (or fail miserably, I can see it going either way)



ithis said:
Rainbird said:

What was bad about Mirror's Edge:

- The story. Good god... I almost don't know what to say. It felt like some cookie-cutter conspiracy story really, and the story sequences being animated certainly didn't help one bit.

The background story was good. The save the sister motivation was good. The cop framed for a political murder is ok (it's not like it couldn't happen). That ex-Runner guy being the main villain of the whole story (sort of), BAD! The final scene was kind of simplistic, not realistic in the game world, felt rushed and lacked inspiration. The feeling of the ending thou made up for it.

The background story was the only thing that was good. Everything else was just cheesy in my opinion.

- The combat. The whole disarm thing was incredibly annoying to use. Time your button press just a little wrong and your odds of living were small. The whole idea behind Faith's martial arts abilites as well as the idea of guns being a temporary powerup were great on paper, but just not that well executed.

The disarm thing was ok, as you could easily disarm a common street cop, but the more advanced units of professional soldiers were much harder to disarm, and were much deadlier, which was quite ok. Using reaction time was the answer for those disarms. Easy and fun for me. The short distance gun play was ok. But the targeting was bad, lacked fine control, which made the gun play exponentially worse as the distance to the target increased (except when using the sniper rifle, which was just sub par overall).

I can't really say anything here. It's a matter of preference I guess.

- The technology. This is a pretty huge area, and it's easy to put a lot of things in here, because some of them were barely up to par. You could tell it was UE3 being used to power the game, because all the characters were incredibly lifeless and plastic-like, more so than in most UE3 games I reckon. The graphics were quite crude to say the least, though they were saved by the phenomenal artdirection. Then there are the dreaded elevator-rides, that substitute loading screens... Then there was the pretty lousy hit detection, which is quite critical for a game about using the environments as much as Mirror's Edge. To round off, the enemy AI was pretty bad, though still functional. Rarely have NPCs (enemies and friendlies alike) been this stiff and lifeless, both in graphics and behaviour.

I never studied the NPC's in game, but the enemies didn't look lifeless to me, although the couple of civilians that I saw, did. I liked the graphics, no complaint from me there. I was thankful for the elevator rides on a couple of occasions, so I have no problem with them :). I had no problem with jumping trough a pipe or anything, but on occasion I did feel that Faith should have grabbed the ledge but she didn't. That should be improved. The enemies killed me pretty well, so enemy AI satisfactory. Lifeless civilians need overhaul.

The NPC stiffness was one of the things that really jumped at me about the game. They seem more like robots with guns than people. Once you get in a certain range of them, they try to melee you, no matter what happens, and it's the same animation, over and over and over. And any AI can be set to kill you, Mirror's Edge's AI just didn't feel human, as it was supposed to.

- Support. This is about the characters speaking to you while you're running around. It does get rather tiresome to listen to, and I would much rather that there was more of a conversation going on in Faith's head, rather then the bad dialogue spoken in those very forced sequences.

Had no real problems with this, actually it seamed logical to me that support for navigating the huge city and threat assessment would come through a com system from a live and not from an augmented reality system exclusively.  

I agree there should porbably be some direction calling, but when the game starts, one of the first lines of dialogue you'll hear, is this: "I know you hate it, but that fall took you out of commission for a while."-ish. There was more than that, but it really just made me cringe to listen to. That writing is SO BAD!

- Length. Through the Speed laps of all the game's levels, it became painfully clear that all the levels could be completed in less than one and a half an hour.

This is the only game that encourages you to speed run it. This can bring out the fact that one can finish the game in under one hour. But paradoxically, those who are able to do that, are the ones that played it for hundreds of hours. After all, there are 30 minute speed runs of DOOM II or Half Life for example, and no one ever accused those games of being short. That being said, I want more chapters :).

Trust me, I know what value the game can hold in terms of hours. I have the platinum trophy after all I just want a longer storyline, with more locales to run around in, so here we agree. More chapters please

Improvements for Mirror's Edge 2:

- The combat. Rework the disarm mechanic and get the other mechanics some serious polish. And this is just a minimum!

Improve the current disarm mechanic and melee combat. (Can Faith block in the current one? I don't know). Improve precision aiming, via iron sights, but don't make shooting unrealistically precise.

Massively improve the disarm mechanic. And I don't really think providing iron sight view is for the better, it's not like Faith is some super skilled shooter, she just knows how to handle a gun.

- The technology. On thing I think the game could really benefit from would be to be in 60 FPS. The controls would be even smoother, and I think the game would get an overall better feel. And with the graphical standard set by the first game, it shouldn't be that hard to accomplish (lol). And also, switch away from UE3 please...

Evolve the current engine. Add long range over the city view capability. Add weather. Optimize. Seek some help for the PS3 if needed.

I agree with everything apart from the 'current engine' bit. As Reasonable said, other engines are more suited, like those seen for Uncharted or Assassin's Creed.

- Storyline. I am almost inclined to say "start over!" because the first was anything but well-executed, and I think that wiping the board clean could benefit the game. Have more actual running missions in the game, have more stuff to do than just trying to solve a conspiracy. We are playing as a runner, let us do just that in the story, or as a sidemission or something.

Don't start over. I want to kick the mayor's ass.

How you can even care about him is beyond me.

- Levels. Have more ways for us to go about the world, more choices for what routes to take, more things to do. Hell, however challenging an sandbox world for this game might be to make, it could be epically awesome (unlikely though, but still...)!

Free running freely through the city would be great, but...

Indeed it would.

- Multiplayer. This doesn't need to be big, but having running missions in coop, or players competing to deliver packages or whatever, could be incredibly fun! This could be a selling feature alone!

Nope.

Yes.

See my comments inline above.

Added my own comments.



I did get the urge to sneak around the first time I entered a building. It just seamed that would be something that I'd do. Then the feeling returned several times. So, a sneak mechanic would be cool. I can imagine myself crawling on a ledge above, with some soldiers right below and close, without they spotting me. That sort of stuff.



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My only real complaints are that there was too much gunplay, and the levels were too linear. That and the obvious shortness of the game. Oh, and sometimes some of the textures (PS3) looked really bad from up close. They knew your face would be right there so why didn't they use a more detailed texture? So I had more complaints than I thought. Overall the first one was pretty good, and if the sequel fixes a few things it will be great.



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Not all games need a multiplayer component, and I believe this is one of those games that doesn't need it. If anything, I could see something like racing through an obstacle course (think of something like the Time Trials, but set to a race between two players), but that was already done with the leaderboards.