Way more damaging? Those 2 atom bombs ruined the lives of many people even years after they were thrown. You can still see the effects of those atom bombs thrown 64 years ago.

And the one who kills someone is not always the one that wanted him dead.

I think you misunderstood me, the Germans should of course have apoligized for the Holocaust, it was one of the most horrible things in our history.

But one could say the Jews should also apologize for killing Jesus(even though there is a lot of controverse about is, because one can also say that the Romans did it like you said)

It doesn't really matter who started what, they both have to apologize. The country that apologizes the first can be seen as the "bigger/better" country then.

It sounds childish in my opinion. America: Oh no, I don't want to apologize first, Japan needs to do it first!(or the other way around of course)

That way it will take a very long time before there ever comes an apology. Who will be the bigger(figure of speech) country and apologize first?

The same could be said of Dresden or Tokyo.  There are plenty of problems that happened to people after those bombings too.

The actual aftereffects of the atomic bombings are a lot less then you probably think.

"In Hiroshima, on the other hand, radioactivity claimed surprisingly few human lives. Experts now know exactly what happened in the first hours, days and weeks after the devastating atomic explosion. Almost all of Hiroshima's 140,000 victims died quickly. Either they were crushed immediately by the shock wave, or they died within the next few days of acute burns.

But the notorious radiation sickness -- a gradual ailment that leads to certain death for anyone exposed to radiation levels of 6 Gray or higher -- was rare. The reason is that Little Boy simply did not produce enough radioactivity. But what about the long-term consequences? Didn't the radiation work like a time bomb in the body?

To answer these questions, the Japanese and the Americans launched a giant epidemiological study after the war. The study included all residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who had survived the atomic explosion within a 10-kilometer (6.2-mile) radius. Investigators questioned the residents to obtain their precise locations when the bomb exploded, and used this information to calculate a personal radiation dose for each resident. Data was collected for 86,572 people.

Today, 60 years later, the study's results are clear. More than 700 people eventually died as a result of radiation received from the atomic attack:

• 87 died of leukemia;

• 440 died of tumors;

• and 250 died of radiation-induced heart attacks.

• In addition, 30 fetuses developed mental disabilities after they were born."

"For commendable reasons, many critics have greatly exaggerated the health risks of radioactivity," says Albrecht Kellerer, a Munich radiation biologist. "But contrary to widespread opinion, the number of victims is by no means in the tens of thousands."

Especially surprising, though, is that the stories of birth defects in newborns are also pure fantasy. The press has repeatedly embellished photos of a destroyed Hiroshima with those of deformed children, children without eyes or with three arms. In reality, there hasn't been a single study that provides evidence of an elevated rate of birth defects.

A final attempt to establish a connection is currently underway in Japan. The study includes 3,600 people who were unborn fetuses in their mothers' wombs on that horrific day in August 1945. But it too has failed to furnish any evidence of elevated chromosomal abnormality.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,519162,00.html

In the UK we prefer to use s over z though the American spelling is more popular worldwide.

Title of thread is more racial than political but of course reason fot it being so is due to past politics.

Samus did you say the Jews should apologise for killing Jesus? Are you comparing the head of the Jews in Roman Palestine persuading the Roman authorities to execute a single man of dubious historical accuracy on the same level playing field as the attempted genocide of an entire race?

Nope, but I think all religions should apologize for past mistakes. Christianity should apologize for a lot of things for example if they haven't done so already.

And it's actually pretty much proven that Jesus existed. Like I said... We know 3 real facts about him. He was born, he was against the Roman power and partly Judaism, he got crucified. All other stuff we "know' about him are lies of the apostle Paul.

@Kasz, that's a rather dubious article and source.

A joint study between the US and Japan is a dubiois source... yeah ok.

I'd say their couldn't be a more rock solid source... the country bombed and the one one doing the bombing.

Also if you look at their sample size and methods.  It's by far the most comprehensive study out their.

I'm sorry if you don't want to believe if because it doesn't fit your beliefs.

It's because it's untrue. You seriously believe the American government? They lie all the time. I'm not even going to talk about that Nobel prize of peace(with that I mean what the hell has Obama actually achieved so far? He wants a lot of change which is good, but he hasn't achieved a lot yet).

By the way can you believe that the newest south park episode actually goes about this subject? You should watch it, one of the best episodes I've ever seen of south park(And even that episode said atom bombs ruined a lot of lives long after the bombs were dropped) .

Ps: I actually study history at a university(That doesn't mean I know history better then you as you seem to have a lot of knowledge about it), and my syllabus(idk if this is an English word) of the course "history of the 20th century" actually says totally different things then that dubious article. Syllabus was written this year, so I don't think it's out of date :) And I don't think they teach me things that aren't true ;) I don't want to believe it because I have sources that tell me otherwise.

Yes, by all means.  Take the opinion of southpark over a scientific study conducted by both parties involved. Why would the JAPANESE GOVERNMENT lie about this?

It isn't out of date.  It's exagerrated lieing.  The effects of nuclear radiation in general.  People who buy in to that are ignoring the real scientific facts of the matter.

Feel free to be ignorant though.

History in history books are usually inaccurate... no matter where you go.  MOST textbooks are inaccurate aside from math textbooks.  Direct sources are the only was to get to real history and science.  Most sylabbus' are written from textbooks.

Also you should not that the source quoted is in fact.... German.

That south park episode has nothing to do with my argument really, just a fun fact that they released a new episode that pretty much has the same subject as this discussion.

What I want is an actual quote of the Japanese government saying that the 2 atom bombs in Japan were over rated pieces of shit. Then I'll believe you.

Well, if it's lieing then why haven't I seen anything of this in my course "historical criticism" ?
If Hiroshima was over rated then it would have been in those books for sure. Why has America never dropped a 3rd atom bomb since 1945? If it's all over rated then why would they be so afraid of using it?

And I don't know about your books, but my books pretty much only state facts and if something is unclear in history then the author says that this is just a theory and by no means a fact. Pretty much 90% in my book of prehistoric and proto history has the following line after every page: "There's still a lot of discussion about it and it's unclear if this is real" (

i can understand why are so many villains on western games russians, but why so much hate for serbia??? they were never against america in any way until NATO bombed them in 1999