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awesome, cant wait for this game.



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wasnt gladiator supposed to be Q1 2010? what happened to that?



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HappySqurriel said:
Joelcool7 said:
puffy said:
It's not 'bad' it just isn't that good.. They hyped it as awesome but it's a pretty generic run and gun shooter.

Yes I picked it up hoping for something on the lines of Halo, but I was severly dissapointed, but who can argue their just aren't that many good shooters on the Wii. To be honest I prefered the Conduit to RedSteel which sold way more copies and I prefer it to COD:WaW. The online is better then any other online game on the Wii to my knowledge but it still falls far behind any shooter online with the 360.

I might buy Grinder and Gladiator but probubly not the latter. Co-op has me interested and online again if its anything like the Conduit it'll be a superior online showing. My only question is, with sales in the 200k's is it really worth it for HVS to keep giving us exclusive Wii titles? Would it be more profitable for the studio to make the next Conduit for 360/PS3?

No, it probably wouldn't make sense for them to target the HD consoles ...

For High Voltage to "Stand Out" graphically on the HD consoles they would have to double the size of their development team, and spend twice as long developing a game, and probably not see any higher sales. Games like "Halo" seem to make people forget that only 19 of 57 FPS games released on the XBox 360 have sold over 500,000 copies.

 

 

On a side note, The Grinder may not (actually) be any more rushed than The Conduit was; and may even have more resources devoted to it for a longer time than The Conduit did. The Conduit was a side project for High Voltage while they worked on other projects that were funded by publishers, and I can't imagine that it had a full development team focused on it until Sega decided to publish it. It is entirely possible that soon after Sega began funding The Conduit, The Grinder began development with a seperate team ...

With that said, I wouldn't expect The Grinder to receive dramatically better reviews than The Conduit; but if High Voltage works on fixing some of the bigger problems from The Conduit and produces a (somewhat) more polished game it could be an average quality shooter; which is above the quality of experience of most shooters released for the Wii to date. With solid mentorship, good recruitment, and a focus on constant improvement of quality High Voltage might become a high-end developer over the next 5 years ... but that is not something to "bet" on, being that so many developers have been in the same position and fallen far short.

Preferably by producing solid games worth buying regardless of platform (the whole looks good or is good "by Wii standards" is losing its teeth) rather than focusing on good PR and lofty promises.

If The Grinder started out fundamentally as a better project than the "test bed" of The Conduit, I don't see why it shouldn't sell better unless there's either some sort of backlash from underdelivering in some way with the final product, or there simply isn't much of a market for FPS games on the Wii, regardless of how well the IR aiming helps the game play and controls.

It's entirely possible the game may end up being another somewhat generic game with good controls and mediocre sales. It's pretty early to be making any predictions either way.



I'm really trying to have some faith in HVS here.



Joelcool7 said:
puffy said:
It's not 'bad' it just isn't that good.. They hyped it as awesome but it's a pretty generic run and gun shooter.

Yes I picked it up hoping for something on the lines of Halo, but I was severly dissapointed, but who can argue their just aren't that many good shooters on the Wii. To be honest I prefered the Conduit to RedSteel which sold way more copies and I prefer it to COD:WaW. The online is better then any other online game on the Wii to my knowledge but it still falls far behind any shooter online with the 360.

I might buy Grinder and Gladiator but probubly not the latter. Co-op has me interested and online again if its anything like the Conduit it'll be a superior online showing. My only question is, with sales in the 200k's is it really worth it for HVS to keep giving us exclusive Wii titles? Would it be more profitable for the studio to make the next Conduit for 360/PS3?

They failed on the Wii market without virtualy any competetion. How are they supposed to pull off a shooter on HD twins with competetion such as Halo, Killzone, Modern Warfare, Left 4 Dead, Resistance and more? HVS and their only chance is to remain on Wii and try to create something with decent art design and few creative ideas. They've made good engine, now if they would only use it on some games that are actualy good from the designer perspective.



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aragod said:
Joelcool7 said:
puffy said:
It's not 'bad' it just isn't that good.. They hyped it as awesome but it's a pretty generic run and gun shooter.

Yes I picked it up hoping for something on the lines of Halo, but I was severly dissapointed, but who can argue their just aren't that many good shooters on the Wii. To be honest I prefered the Conduit to RedSteel which sold way more copies and I prefer it to COD:WaW. The online is better then any other online game on the Wii to my knowledge but it still falls far behind any shooter online with the 360.

I might buy Grinder and Gladiator but probubly not the latter. Co-op has me interested and online again if its anything like the Conduit it'll be a superior online showing. My only question is, with sales in the 200k's is it really worth it for HVS to keep giving us exclusive Wii titles? Would it be more profitable for the studio to make the next Conduit for 360/PS3?

They failed on the Wii market without virtualy any competetion. How are they supposed to pull off a shooter on HD twins with competetion such as Halo, Killzone, Modern Warfare, Left 4 Dead, Resistance and more? HVS and their only chance is to remain on Wii and try to create something with decent art design and few creative ideas. They've made good engine, now if they would only use it on some games that are actualy good from the designer perspective.


Both Gladiator A.D. and The Grinder have decent art design and are filled with creative ideas.  If they can refrain from going over the top, the games could turn out extremely well.



The conduit deserved more than 69% without a doubt. How many fps's on wii are better than it? (Exclusives, not cod or moh ect). Look at the score halo 3 original got, you can realy tell me it deserved that score? Boring and mediocre yet still gets 94...? Ye theres nothing going on there...Its better than gears 2 and as good as bioshock sure... Gta iv got 98, so its like the best game ever created now? Ha with the capital H. Ratings are often full of shit. Btw to that guy who forgot the name. The name of the engine high voltage is using is quantum 3, probly the best engine on wii.



 

 

Haste262 said:
The conduit deserved more than 69% without a doubt. How many fps's on wii are better than it? (Exclusives, not cod or moh ect). Look at the score halo 3 original got, you can realy tell me it deserved that score? Boring and mediocre yet still gets 94...? Ye theres nothing going on there...Its better than gears 2 and as good as bioshock sure... Gta iv got 98, so its like the best game ever created now? Ha with the capital H. Ratings are often full of shit. Btw to that guy who forgot the name. The name of the engine high voltage is using is quantum 3, probly the best engine on wii.

This guy is totally right.  If you compare the Conduit to other Wii shooters, its pretty good.  HVS is walking to Wii owners, not HD owners, when they say people will be "Wowed".

Their games are spectacular, in the relative sense.  I dunno why so many Wii owners have trouble with their statements.  I'm thinking these games will, very likely, look great -- just as The Conduit did, and just as they stated.



 

Well, I like Conduit and I am looking forward to Grinder as it should fix the few issues I had with Conduit (art style and minor glitches, especially Wii Speak issues).



Haste262 said:
The conduit deserved more than 69% without a doubt. How many fps's on wii are better than it? (Exclusives, not cod or moh ect). Look at the score halo 3 original got, you can realy tell me it deserved that score? Boring and mediocre yet still gets 94...? Ye theres nothing going on there...Its better than gears 2 and as good as bioshock sure... Gta iv got 98, so its like the best game ever created now? Ha with the capital H. Ratings are often full of shit. Btw to that guy who forgot the name. The name of the engine high voltage is using is quantum 3, probly the best engine on wii.

< IN MY HONEST OPINION >

I agree with you on that part, that some games are overrated and probably don't deserve those incredible scores. But also these games are still levels beyond where Conduit reached. Halo 3 is 3rd time the same, but the first time it was a revolution. Now they just polish it more and more. It has unrivalled multiplayer (or atleast that's what people think). GTA 4 really isn't the best game of all times, according to it's score, but it's still light years ahead of Conduit. Big franchises can disappoint with new titles, but only in certain area - not standing up to the hype. If that Xth sequel was the first game in that franchise, everyone would love it. It's the same but incredibly polished. Many people are rating new Ratchet and Clank down, for it beeing the Xth game with pretty much the same. But if you are first time player, you are in for the time of your life.

But Conduit couldn't offer that, it was generic, everything was generic, from story, to art design, gameplay etc... There was no such exclusive Wii title, only similar title would be CoD: WaW. It had no competetion and it floped. You can see it at the charts, it first come out in NA, people were hyped for it, sold 65k first week. But most of the reviews were out before it was released in EU, now look at those numbers - 18k. One of it's kind for the userbase of 55 milion consoles...

I'd say they went the wrong direction, instead of hyping the game's visuals (which looks like 1998 pc game), they should've focused on story, game design, art design and gameplay. I believe that it might be really nice multiplayer experience - but only when you consider the Wii.

< / IN MY HONEST OPINION >



MY HYPE LIST: 1) Gran Turismo 5; 2) Civilization V; 3) Starcraft II; 4) The Last Guardian; 5) Metal Gear Solid: Rising