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vlad321 on 29 October 2009
Mendicate Bias said:
vlad321 said:

Because comapring L4D and Spore/Sims on the PC is liek comparing CoD4 and WiiFit/Sports, in which case CoD4 absolutely bombed, respectively.

Also 3 million is low, also that 12 million was the total account active, the number of elligable people (total with WoW) sit closer to 20mil, so yes, that's actually very weak. Far worse when you look at Halo2 total vs Halo 3 first day.

Also that once in a while "gem" as you call it is not a fluke, it's called a good game. Any game that DOESN'T continue to sell is because it's not worth being sold. Starcraft is a good game, so it still sells, and so is Empie Total War, Warcraft 3, etc. Make a good game and it sells, make a mediocre game and it doesn't. It's really easy to comprehend, also very brutal since PC gamers have a pretty high bar for quality in games.

As for consoles, there are plenty of good games which don't see sales. Look at Zack and Wiki on the wii as a quick example.

I used those games as an example of front-loaded sales not as a comparison against L4D. Only people with active account would care to buy an expansion to a game for the most part and your comparing the release of a new game in a massive franchise to an expansion pack which isn't comparable in the least.

When did I say fluke, by using the word gem that infers that the game is good, stop putting words in my mouth. Are you seriously suggesting that every good game on the pc sells well but that the same is not true of consoles because in that case your just delusional.

Then they are horrible examples because they have sold far far more than what they did those first few months. In fact Spore and Sims are still making top 20 charts non-stop, so obviously their big frontloaded sales were actually normal for a  game that sells nonstop. Also you obviously don't know MMOs if you think only people with active accounts buy expansions. Many MANY people reactivate to get in on new levelling caps and other huge content, when it comes to expansions in MMOs, anyone who has ever played counts, and to be fair it's very much comparable since there is about 3 times the content in said expansion than said game.

Also yes, every good game on PC sells well, and you can quote me on that. Point me to good games (not reviewers based good games either) that have not sold well, even indie games see very god sales, if they are good. Also it is not true for consoles, Z&W was just one examples, I can pull many more.



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Mendicate Bias on 29 October 2009
vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:

I used those games as an example of front-loaded sales not as a comparison against L4D. Only people with active account would care to buy an expansion to a game for the most part and your comparing the release of a new game in a massive franchise to an expansion pack which isn't comparable in the least.

When did I say fluke, by using the word gem that infers that the game is good, stop putting words in my mouth. Are you seriously suggesting that every good game on the pc sells well but that the same is not true of consoles because in that case your just delusional.

Then they are horrible examples because they have sold far far more than what they did those first few months. In fact Spore and Sims are still making top 20 charts non-stop, so obviously their big frontloaded sales were actually normal for a  game that sells nonstop. Also you obviously don't know MMOs if you think only people with active accounts buy expansions. Many MANY people reactivate to get in on new levelling caps and other huge content, when it comes to expansions in MMOs, anyone who has ever played counts, and to be fair it's very much comparable since there is about 3 times the content in said expansion than said game.

Also yes, every good game on PC sells well, and you can quote me on that. Point me to good games (not reviewers based good games either) that have not sold well, even indie games see very god sales, if they are good. Also it is not true for consoles, Z&W was just one examples, I can pull many more.

They don't exactly have much competition for the top 20 now do they. I have never played an mmo so no I don't know a lot but what I do know is that 3 million first day is massive so keep on spinning. Besides big console games sell very well after initial release too, I'm not going to bother listing games since you have been on this website long enough and should know this by now.

As for your second paragraph, you honestly made me laugh out loud. So now the metric for which to rate games is based off your personal opinion  I don't know why I even try to debate with you anymore every time it boils down to you pretty much saying that your opinion is the only right one and anyone with differing views is just too stupid to see otherwise. I mean honestly do you seriously believe that there has never been a single good PC game that hasn't sold well, are you really that delusional?!



                                           

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Ail on 29 October 2009
vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:
vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:
 

Who said mediocrity has anything to do with sales? Crysis was one of the most hyped games on PC in recent memory and we all know hype is a much bigger contributing factor to sales than your personal opinion that it was mediocre, especially considering most reviewers liked it and thats where most people look for opinions before they buy a game.

@mudface

were arguing retail sales only, thats probably total sales. Still even if it sold 2 million at retail how does that speak towards L4D which is a multiplayer centric game and also a much less hyped game?

All I'm saying is that before shio and ssj12 would argue that PC games sell 5 times better than console games when all the data points to that being far from reality. Hell I remember a thread a while ago where ssj12 said the sales for L4D on 360 were crappy, so now that we have a little more data and it looks like both versions sold the same with the PC version very likely having sold a little less what does he have to say about those "crappy" sales?

Maybe on the consoles hype is a contributor, not so on the PCs. You don't see huge frontloaded sales on the PC, even WoW only sold 2.8 mil first day for its expansion (out of potential 12 million that's VERY weak). If the games sucks the game sales suck and piracy on it skyrockets. Also most people can agree with the fact that it was a mediocre experience and people value word of mouth more than a reviewer's word. Couple that with PC sales not selling immidiately like consoels and you get shitty sales.

Edit: Another thing to keep in mind, when Crysis came out VERY few people could run it even decently while L4D and CoD4 didn't have that poblem (what, with them being on consoles and all). I'm pretty sure that had a lot to do with why people didn't buy it at the start as well, then the fact it sucked just turned them off when they could. Crysis just turned out to be prime for piracy since it didn't have much value beyond being a really good benchmarking tool. Honestly, I've pirated it on 4 or 5 different occassions just to see how my PC will run it after an upgrade or two and how far it can be pushed.

Wait so u expected more than 3 million first day for a WoW expansion with a previous install base of 12 million?! That is an amazing figure don't try to spin it, 1 in 4 potential people bought an expansion pack first day. Also how about the recent big pc games like spore and the sims? As I recall those had huge first week sales. Hype is just as much a factor for PC sales as it is for any other console. Every once in a while you get a gem than continues to sell over the years like starcraft, but to take that and use it as the rule for every pc game is laughable, especially when the exact same cases exist on consoles too. Also most people buy games by amount of hype it is receiving in the general media or based off reviews from websites like IGN or any other big gaming review site, not off word of mouth or discussing it with other people in forums like we do. 

 

Because comapring L4D and Spore/Sims on the PC is liek comparing CoD4 and WiiFit/Sports, in which case CoD4 absolutely bombed, respectively.

Also 3 million is low, also that 12 million was the total account active, the number of elligable people (total with WoW) sit closer to 20mil, so yes, that's actually very weak. Far worse when you look at Halo2 total vs Halo 3 first day.

Also that once in a while "gem" as you call it is not a fluke, it's called a good game. Any game that DOESN'T continue to sell is because it's not worth being sold. Starcraft is a good game, so it still sells, and so is Empie Total War, Warcraft 3, etc. Make a good game and it sells, make a mediocre game and it doesn't. It's really easy to comprehend, also very brutal since PC gamers have a pretty high bar for quality in games.

As for consoles, there are plenty of good games which don't see sales. Look at Zack and Wiki on the wii as a quick example.

 

Considering how half the active wow user base is in China and the expansion wasn't released in China until several months later I kinda fail to see how 3 millions units the first week out an active western base of less than 6 millions is any bad....................

I don't know about you but when 50% of the possible user base buy the title the first week, that is kinda the most front loaded release in the history of all releases........

 

If you and Shio are going to defend the PC, at least use real numbers, not numbers made up as you post.......



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Hephaestos on 29 October 2009
Ail said:

 

There's just one problem, by Activision own report CoD4 had sold around 1 million units on the PC as of last May.....

And there is really no reason for them to lie about it.......

But is that 1M just retail or does it include steam and DD and others?

is it worldwide?

It just seems awfully small to me.

 

The proof for it to be a wierd number? 200,000 online petition, this would mean a 20% of buyers of the first game still active enough to sign an online petition for the sequel....

that's much larger than the L4D petition and that one encompassed 360&PC for much more users.



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Ail on 29 October 2009

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Hephaestos said:
Ail said:

 

There's just one problem, by Activision own report CoD4 had sold around 1 million units on the PC as of last May.....

And there is really no reason for them to lie about it.......

But is that 1M just retail or does it include steam and DD and others?

is it worldwide?

It just seems awfully small to me.

 

The proof for it to be a wierd number? 200,000 online petition, this would mean a 20% of buyers of the first game still active enough to sign an online petition for the sequel....

that's much larger than the L4D petition and that one encompassed 360&PC for much more users.

Not everyone that signed the petition might be a legit CoD4 owner. Infinity Ward already reported more people were playing a pirated version than a retail one...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Final-Fan on 29 October 2009
Ail said: 
Hephaestos said:
Ail said:
There's just one problem, by Activision own report CoD4 had sold around 1 million units on the PC as of last May.....

And there is really no reason for them to lie about it.......
But is that 1M just retail or does it include steam and DD and others?
is it worldwide?
It just seems awfully small to me.

The proof for it to be a wierd number? 200,000 online petition, this would mean a 20% of buyers of the first game still active enough to sign an online petition for the sequel....

that's much larger than the L4D petition and that one encompassed 360&PC for much more users.
Not everyone that signed the petition might be a legit CoD4 owner. Infinity Ward already reported more people were playing a pirated version than a retail one...

Well, the petition was asking for console gamers to sign it too ...
But to be honest I only replied to delete the empty spaces from the quote nest.



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