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I think that would count as breaking the current laws of logic =P



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Rath said:
I think that would count as breaking the current laws of logic =P

But you're asking him to break the current laws of logic anyway!

He's just complying!



ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

He wouldn't be ominiptoent ANYMORE.

Which is my point.  If Omnipotence lets you do everything it would stand to logic that would include giving it up.

By giving it up, you have to be unable to retrieve it.  God cant give up omnipotence if he can take it back, which is how you describe God not being able to lift a certain rock.

If I'm rich and I put all my money in the bank, I cant say that I'm poor because I still have the ability to get that money if I so desire.

If he can't "EVER" lift that rock.  Not if he can't create a rock he can't lift...

But yeah... what's your point.

It's my position that an Omnipotent god could give up Omnipotence if he really wanted to.

Which is what would be needed to create a rock he could never ever lift.

Vs a rock he just can't lift... which would require no removal of omnipotence.



Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

He wouldn't be ominiptoent ANYMORE.

Which is my point.  If Omnipotence lets you do everything it would stand to logic that would include giving it up.

By giving it up, you have to be unable to retrieve it.  God cant give up omnipotence if he can take it back, which is how you describe God not being able to lift a certain rock.

If I'm rich and I put all my money in the bank, I cant say that I'm poor because I still have the ability to get that money if I so desire.

If he can't "EVER" lift that rock.  Not if he can't create a rock he can't lift...

But yeah... what's your point.

It's my position that an Omnipotent god could give up Omnipotence if he really wanted to.

If he could get his powers back whenever he wanted, then he never gave up his omnipotence in the first place.



ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

He wouldn't be ominiptoent ANYMORE.

Which is my point.  If Omnipotence lets you do everything it would stand to logic that would include giving it up.

By giving it up, you have to be unable to retrieve it.  God cant give up omnipotence if he can take it back, which is how you describe God not being able to lift a certain rock.

If I'm rich and I put all my money in the bank, I cant say that I'm poor because I still have the ability to get that money if I so desire.

If he can't "EVER" lift that rock.  Not if he can't create a rock he can't lift...

But yeah... what's your point.

It's my position that an Omnipotent god could give up Omnipotence if he really wanted to.

If he could get his powers back whenever he wanted, then he never gave up his omnipotence in the first place.

Once again... I don't see your point.  God can give up his omnipotence... that doesn't mean that if he doesn't he's not omnipotent.

If he simply creates a rock he decides he shouldn't be able to lift.  That doesn't mean he's giving up his omnipotence, unless he decides that he wants a rock he can NEVER lift.

It's a pretty simple concept.



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Okay I'm going to stop you two right now.

Manus, Kasz is saying God can do that, he would just be non-omnipotent afterward and unable to reclaim his omnipotence. God would cease to be omnipotent.

Kasz, some part of how you were phrasing it was confusing, I don't know



Khuutra are you Kasz's spokesperson? just wondering...



Khuutra said:
Okay I'm going to stop you two right now.

Manus, Kasz is saying God can do that, he would just be non-omnipotent afterward and unable to reclaim his omnipotence. God would cease to be omnipotent.

Kasz, some part of how you were phrasing it was confusing, I don't know

I imagine it's a timeframe issue.

An easy way to put it now that i think of it would be...

A) God decides he wants to be human for a day so he can't lift a rock.

B) God decides he wants to be human forever, so he could never lift a rock.

 

Either case provides a rock god can't lift.  One is simply a more permanent case then the other.  Of course being human is a more drastic example.



By the way, this question is retarded. God can't control human behavior so under what basis is it for him to create a rock He can't lift? It goes against physics and logic



SimonSaysFYou said:
By the way, this question is retarded. God can't control human behavior so under what basis is it for him to create a rock He can't lift? It goes against physics and logic

I don't think you're really addressing the question with the proper mindframe. How does it go against physics?