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@john: Well, because EVEN after DQX was announced, third parties are not willing to support the Wii. That list clearly shows which console they think is the way to go. Look at the names on that list, where are most of the biggest brands going?

What makes you believe that contrary to most third party games, the Wii was going to be chosen? Look at it again, Wii had the biggest 3rd party IP announced for itself and it has a 5 million lead over the PS3, and not even then 3rd party developers are willing to develop for it. Most of the home console games are heading to the PS3. If Nintendo hadn't moneyhatted (IMO again) the game wouldn't have ended on the Wii going by recent trends. SE seems to be focusing a lot more on the handhelds and HD systems and relegating the Wii.

It's also weird that the only thing they announced since the Wii laucnh was their biggest IP and then nothing else. Did you ever wonder why?



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trestres said:
@john: Well, because EVEN after DQX was announced, third parties are not willing to support the Wii. That list clearly shows which console they think is the way to go. Look at the names on that list, where are most of the biggest brands going?

What makes you believe that contrary to most third party games, the Wii was going to be chosen? Look at it again, Wii had the biggest 3rd party IP announced for itself and it has a 5 million lead over the PS3, and not even then 3rd party developers are willing to develop for it. Most of the home console games are heading to the PS3. If Nintendo hadn't moneyhatted (IMO again) the game wouldn't have ended on the Wii going by recent trends. SE seems to be focusing a lot more on the handhelds and HD systems and relegating the Wii.

It's also weird that the only thing they announced since the Wii laucnh was their biggest IP and then nothing else. Did you ever wonder why?

tres unless you're gonna sit here and tell me that square isn't going to try to make the biggest profit, then you're gonna have to explain to me why last year SE would have believed they would make more money on PS3.  The rest is all jibberish, the other 3rd party IPs are not DQ.  They do not have the power that DQ has to move units.  low-mid ranged 3rd party games haven't always faired well on wii, but a game like DQ is a slam dunk on wii (DS or PSP would probably work fine too) and SE knows it.  Why don't you stick to the subject tres, you're dodging it quite aggressively.



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@john: I'm not dodging anything. I already answered the OP in my first post, but you refuse to read.

It's not jibberish and I never said it would have gone strictly to the PS3. I said PS3/HD's or the DS successor or even the DS itself would be possibilities.

Also take into account that there was going to be a huge RPG fanbase on the PS3 after both FFXIII and FFvsXIII were released. Nintendo couldn't have taken the risk, since they don't have a huge RPG fanbase and DQX would have been the first game of that kind.

Please, read carefully next time.



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scottie said:
tres - Man I would love to live in the world you do.

First off, will you at least recognise the magnitude of what you are saying? Both MS and Sony have occasionally stated in press releases that they paid for a game, moneyhatting is considered a valid tactic. Nintendo has never before moneyhatted a game... ever

When the PS1 took all of the big 3rd party exclusives from the N64. Nintendo did not moneyhat
When the GC was selling buggerall and analysts were predicting Nintendo to become handheld only, Nintendo did not moneyhat
Why would they moneyhat now?

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i'm not the only person who read this, hence the responses

"Had they not moneyhatted (which is my opinion but I'm sure it happened that way) DQX would have probably ended being a PS3/HD game, like the vast majority of the games announced this year for home consoles."



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But you didn't read the posts before. You don't take into account the context of that post either. You just nitpick a sentence. Good job, I didn't expect much more from someone like you.



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trestres said:
@john: I'm not dodging anything. I already answered the OP in my first post, but you refuse to read.

It's not jibberish and I never said it would have gone strictly to the PS3. I said PS3/HD's or the DS successor or even the DS itself would be possibilities.

Also take into account that there was going to be a huge RPG fanbase on the PS3 after both FFXIII and FFvsXIII were released. Nintendo couldn't have taken the risk, since they don't have a huge RPG fanbase and DQX would have been the first game of that kind.

Please, read carefully next time.

At the time SE were delaying FFXIII left and right, games like ToV and SO4 weren't heading to ps3, and the ps3 was selling sub-10k a week in Japan.  It is no surprise SE decided not to bet on ps3 at the time.  I doubt there was any money involved there.  The ps3 wasn't like it is today, selling >30k a week on the back of a price cut and remodel, and with a much stronger JRPG fanbase due to the releases or impending releases of ToV, SO, and FFXIII (not to mention the smaller stuff like Ar Tonelico III).

Though I wouldn't be surprised if SE went to both Nintendo and Sony, hinting that they still hadn't decided which console to make the game for in an attempt to get some free money.



trestres said:
But you didn't read the posts before. You don't take into account the context of that post either. You just nitpick a sentence. Good job, I didn't expect much more from someone like you.

i read the posts before and again and I still get the same conclusion.  You said they moneyhatted it to keep because they needed it and needed to keep it off of PS3 (i don't agree, but there is reasonable logic here).  Then you later said if they hadn't moneyhatted it, it would have probably ended up on PS3, and that where I don't agree at all.  I'm not putting words in your mouth or taking it out of context.  You said it probably would have ended up on HD consoles if Nintendo didn't moneyhat.



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Woow, people are getting way too emotional about this, I see that KH can stir a lot of waves, which is good, since it means it has a lot of fans ;)

Since KH2 is amongst my favourite games of all time, I'll leave my opinion of what I think KH3 should go in my Dissida thread Angelfire, don't want to cause any more discussion than what has gone around here, plus, with 358/2 days out and BBS coming, I think this speculation is rather pointless now.



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I didn't say keep it off strictly from the PS3. Again, I gave several other possible platforms for DQX. I said they needed the game at all costs. I said that if Nintendo hadn't moneyhatted (which I don't think is bad at all, in fact it's perhaps one of the most clever ways to get support and remain attractive) DQX would have gone to the HD's IF we took all the other possibilities away, that's why I said read the previous posts and the context of that one.

The reasons are that SE isn't fond of the Wii at all, and they haven't got a lot going on for it save for a game that's coming out in a few weeks which was announced even before the Wii was launched. Also, PS3 would have had a bigger RPG/SE fanbase to sell the game to, instead of expecting millions of people to buy a Wii. It's easier when you can sell the game to someone that owns the console and likes your games. But I can be wrong, that's why I'm saying that's my opinion, I'm not stating it as a fact. I wrote the word "probably".



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