I'm not sure either, but I do know I really enjoyed it. It's my top 3 all time handheld games probably.

War of the Lions is basically just an Ogre Battle game with the Final Fantasy class system over it.  It should be nowhere near a "best SRPG" discussion.

It's just doing almost exactly what the previous seires did with little to no innovation.

Bull imo, lol. It popularized it and improved it, with a different atmosphere and better story.

By your logic, the original Doom sucks, and shouldn't be mentioned in a FPS debate.

IMO, FFT is a superior game to Ogre Battle in every way, and just because a game is a ripoff in every way doesn't mean it isn't completely fantastic, see Uncharted 2, Dead Space, every RTS game, every MMO, every FPS, and every SRPG ever made.

I mean, SotC is a ripoff of Zelda with no innovation outside of atmosphere and story and gameflow. It is actually missing a lot of the features that made Zelda great, like NPCs and dungeons. However, the way it was assembled makes it a different game. It's atmosphere, artstyle, and gameflow vary from the game it was inspired by and gives it a different feel. You get points for originality, but you also get points for perfecting formulas.

It's not really a ripoff, I mean it was made by the exact same people.

It just didn't do anything really different or special, and it's story was inferior and less coherent then tactics ogre.

Bull imo, lol. It popularized it and improved it, with a different atmosphere and better story.

By your logic, the original Doom shouldn't be mentioned in a FPS debate.

IMO, FFT is a superior game to Ogre Battle in every way, and just because a game is a ripoff in every way doesn't mean it isn't completely fantastic, see Uncharted 2, Dead Space, every RTS game, every MMO, every FPS, and every SRPG ever made.

I mean, SotC is a ripoff of Zelda with no innovation outside of atmosphere and story and gameflow. It is actually missing a lot of the features that made Zelda great, like NPCs and dungeons. However, the way it was assembled makes it a different game. It's atmosphere, artstyle, and gameflow vary from the game it was inspired by and gives it a different feel. You get points for originality, but you also get points for perfecting formulas.

...that said, I hated SotC, and would marginalize it the very same way you marginalzied FFT, so maybe I'm a hypocrite.

Like the original Doom, the music in FFTactics is godlike and should at least be mentioned for that alone.

It's not really a ripoff, I mean it was made by the exact same people.

It just didn't do anything really different or special, and it's story was inferior and less coherent then tactics ogre.

It was also a lot less balanced.  A couple classes ruled FFT and made the game a cakewalk....

and that's not even counting Cid.  My god the brokeness in him.

So... when did you play Tactics Ogre?

That was cause of the poor localization, and I hear it was fixed in the PSP release.

I liked the atmosphere and feeling of dread I got when playing FFT. The twist at the end of chapter one is epic, and some of the scenerios in that game are epic. No spoilers though, but there is one battle where you can get save rimrocked and have to start all the way over....freakin' fantastic, lol.

Yes, and tactics Ogre has poor localization as well.  Your point?

The game being less coherent doesn't have as much to do with the localization though as it does just generally being less coherent.

In general, Tactics Ogre LUCT, just did a better job storytelling in my opinion.  When it comes to actual story, the issues Ogre Battle dealt with just were a lot better.  In general the game seemed rushed.

As for diffulty.  Really the Wiegraf part is the only really hard part... that part is actually criminally hard.  It didn't seem like they really playtested much, if you had the right classes you could kill.

Once you got to dancers... it was practically unfair.