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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
disolitude said:
elgefe02 said:
I played all the castlevanias games and I will Highly Reccomend Castlevania II and III for the NES era and all the portables (GBA - DS)


I agree that Castlevania 2 and 3 were great back in the day...Super Castlevania too on the Snes. But do you really think that someone that started with a DS castlevania will appreciate the old school titles?

I think SOTN is as far as a new fan of the series can go, if they start with a post -metroidvania version of the game.

 

 

Sadly, no.  And that's the problem.  There's a split in Castlevania fans now adays.  A lot of people who played the games back on the NES and SNES days enjoy the newer games (and some don't) but they're really looking around for something more 'quality' to come out of the series.  I myself feel that the last 10-12 years after SotN has been rather weak and repetative.  Kind of like just repeating the legacy of SotN, but with a new coat of paint and a new story each game.  Even the 3D games were basically SotN put on a 3D plane.

On the flip side there's people who just got into the series with SotN, Aria or even Dawn of Sorrow and think they're the best games in the whole series.  But then won't even touch any of the past games considering them too 'primitive' and because they're 'different'.  Is this thinking wrong?  Well maybe not, but it IS wrong to claim that when you won't even play the past games and just obsess over the newer ones.

This is why I think the recent change of Konami (finally) having new development groups working on the series again and trying to hark back to the 'older' feel of the series is healthy.  The series needs new blood, or else the only fans who will be playing it in the future are the same rouchly 500,000 people obsessed with 'Dawn of Sorrow'.

I hear ya...I played the game boy advance ones  and they were like SOTN, just not as good. I've heard good things about DS ones but I'm pretty sure its still the same game, only with a few new gimmicks applied due to touch screen controls.

We will see what the new 3D game brings...hopefully it has some true innovations other than expensive voice actors and Kojima's logo. :)



disolitude said:

I hear ya...I played the game boy advance ones  and they were like SOTN, just not as good. I've heard good things about DS ones but I'm pretty sure its still the same game, only with a few new gimmicks applied due to touch screen controls.

We will see what the new 3D game brings...hopefully it has some true innovations other than expensive voice actors and Kojima's logo. :)

If you get the chance, try Order of Ecclesia. It's the game that tries hardest to differentiate itself from the standard Metroidvania formula, and it benefits from it.

As a bonus, I can't remember any mechanics involving the touch screen at all.



Khuutra said:
disolitude said:

I hear ya...I played the game boy advance ones  and they were like SOTN, just not as good. I've heard good things about DS ones but I'm pretty sure its still the same game, only with a few new gimmicks applied due to touch screen controls.

We will see what the new 3D game brings...hopefully it has some true innovations other than expensive voice actors and Kojima's logo. :)

If you get the chance, try Order of Ecclesia. It's the game that tries hardest to differentiate itself from the standard Metroidvania formula, and it benefits from it.

As a bonus, I can't remember any mechanics involving the touch screen at all.

Believe me I want to try it very badly.

I liked the GBA ones a lot despite being slightly inferior to SOTN. I played the GBA ones on the Gamecube and my TV using that adapter... I need somthing similar for the DS. I can't play on that small screen. Strains my eyes...



Kenryoku_Maxis said:
disolitude said:
elgefe02 said:
I played all the castlevanias games and I will Highly Reccomend Castlevania II and III for the NES era and all the portables (GBA - DS)


I agree that Castlevania 2 and 3 were great back in the day...Super Castlevania too on the Snes. But do you really think that someone that started with a DS castlevania will appreciate the old school titles?

I think SOTN is as far as a new fan of the series can go, if they start with a post -metroidvania version of the game.

 

 

Sadly, no.  And that's the problem.  There's a split in Castlevania fans now adays.  A lot of people who played the games back on the NES and SNES days enjoy the newer games (and some don't) but they're really looking around for something more 'quality' to come out of the series.  I myself feel that the last 10-12 years after SotN has been rather weak and repetative.  Kind of like just repeating the legacy of SotN, but with a new coat of paint and a new story each game.  Even the 3D games were basically SotN put on a 3D plane.

On the flip side there's people who just got into the series with SotN, Aria or even Dawn of Sorrow and think they're the best games in the whole series.  But then won't even touch any of the past games considering them too 'primitive' and because they're 'different'.  Is this thinking wrong?  Well maybe not, but it IS wrong to claim that when you won't even play the past games and just obsess over the newer ones.

This is why I think the recent change of Konami (finally) having new development groups working on the series again and trying to hark back to the 'older' feel of the series is healthy.  The series needs new blood, or else the only fans who will be playing it in the future are the same rouchly 500,000 people obsessed with 'Dawn of Sorrow'.

I started off with Aria of Sorrow, and have mostly played the DS-games ... My favorite is probably Portrait of Ruin (controversial as this opinion may be), or the classic Symphony of the Night. However, I do enjoy Castlevania I, III and Super Castlevania IV quite a bit. Sure, I prefer the Metroidvanias, but I think the oldschool ones are pretty awesome too.

Just wanted to share that I guess. XD



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I think the best you can do there is play on a DSi.



lestatdark said:
twesterm said:
lestatdark said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
lestatdark said:
If you are loving Order of Ecclesia, then you should definetly get Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow, Circle of the Moon and the best of them all, Symphony of the Night.

If you're looking for a more classical Castlevania approach, the best ones are Castlevania IV, Castlevania X: Vampyre Kiss and Castlevania II: Simon's Quest.

*cough* I think you meant Castlevania III.

No, castlevania II: Simon's quest. Do not confuse with Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse. That was the crappiest castlevania game ever released.

I don't think Simon's Quest is the classic Castlevania game but I do think it's underrated and gets a lot of undeserved hate.

People go at most NES games with the mentality of you should be able to rent them one weekend and beat it but Simon's Quest just isn't one of those games.  Castlevania was and Castlevania III was, but not so much Castlevania II.  Like Milon's Secret Castle it required a shit load of exploring and just testing things out and isn't the horrible game that people make it out to be.

That said, it has plenty of problems (slow text, things are a little too well hidden, you're asked to do a few completely random things nobody would really think of, ect) and I still don't think I would actually call it a good game.  I think it was a fantastic start that inspired later games, but not so much good.


Well, to me it was the opposite, since I found Castlevania III to be the most crappy of the series, due to the lack of depth that your attacks had, and the bad jumping mechanics.

That being said, it's one of the issues that's plaged most of the old style castlevania games, and I admit that Simon's quest had the most bugs, but to me, the story and the flow of the game was one of the best in an old style Castlevania.

Say what? The jumping mechanics for all of the characters except for Grant are the same as in Simon's Quest. And if you dislike those jumping mechanics (which makes it all the more unreasonable that you chose to recommend Castlevania II, on top of it not being representative of the "classic" game play) just choose Grant's path and you'll be able to move around freely in the air.

And what on earth do you mean by "depth of attacks"? You have plenty of different means of striking down your foe, even more than in Super Castlevania IV. 



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As I said, I found it to be, in my own opinion. I probably don't remember the game right, and i'll concede to everyone's views and give the game another go, but why so much attack to a personal opinion?

By depth of attack, I mean that the whip felt like it didn't have the same hit box as in the other games, even Super Castlevania IV had a bigger hit box, IMO, once again.



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Well, it just felt illogical that you would complain about the jumping mechanics when they are actually fixed in CV III (Grant), and not in CV II. I'm not attacking your personal opinion so much as your logic. You really should try the game again, if you can manage with the awkward jumping in Simon's Quest, then it'll be worth the few levels you have to traverse before you can get Grant.

As for the hitbox of the whip, well there's not much to say there. Personally I think the hitbox is pretty huge considering it's a whip. It's even bigger than in Super CV IV, at least it's a lot higher.



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I'll give it a try then, I still have the rom in here.

While I did say that about Castlevania III, let me just recite that I still consider every castlevania game to be well above most platforming series, it's one of my favourite of all time ;)



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