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Smashed on 09 November 2009
MAFKKA said:
Smashed said:
Mudface said:
Smashed said:

I bet you half of them will still buy the game.

Why would they? For the 6 hour single player campaign, or the gimped multiplayer? It's just not that good, you know and there are plenty of other games out there far more worthy of my money.

Gimped multiplayer? Well.. this whole IWNET thing, has anyone actually tried it? Or are you all complaining about it before the game is out?

Call of Duty is like the most played multiplayer game on consoles, between PS3 and Xbox 360. We have been playing on P2P for years. We're doing fine, what makes you so much more special that you get an upgrade above the consoles? It's about time there is some balance. The only thing better is on PC it's easier to move shoot and aim, better than controllers.

What other FPS will be the FPS of the holiday season? Please tell me, make it a new game, not a released game, the only good FPS thats worth my money from now until March is Battlefield Bad Company 2.

It's just P2P, big whoop. Again, we have been playing on consoles like this for years, we aren't complaining.

 

May I ask How you have been playing COD4 for years? With your buddies on 360 party chat pwning n00bs on mp_ambush?

I played when it launched for months after, on PS3 btw. Oh and, I have CoD1, 2, and 3 for PC.



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max power on 09 November 2009
Smashed said:
MAFKKA said:
Smashed said:
Mudface said:
Smashed said:

I bet you half of them will still buy the game.

Why would they? For the 6 hour single player campaign, or the gimped multiplayer? It's just not that good, you know and there are plenty of other games out there far more worthy of my money.

Gimped multiplayer? Well.. this whole IWNET thing, has anyone actually tried it? Or are you all complaining about it before the game is out?

Call of Duty is like the most played multiplayer game on consoles, between PS3 and Xbox 360. We have been playing on P2P for years. We're doing fine, what makes you so much more special that you get an upgrade above the consoles? It's about time there is some balance. The only thing better is on PC it's easier to move shoot and aim, better than controllers.

What other FPS will be the FPS of the holiday season? Please tell me, make it a new game, not a released game, the only good FPS thats worth my money from now until March is Battlefield Bad Company 2.

It's just P2P, big whoop. Again, we have been playing on consoles like this for years, we aren't complaining.

 

May I ask How you have been playing COD4 for years? With your buddies on 360 party chat pwning n00bs on mp_ambush?

I played when it launched for months after, on PS3 btw. Oh and, I have CoD1, 2, and 3 for PC.

A ha!  COD3 never came out for PC.



Mudface on 09 November 2009

No you don't- COD 3 was console only.



MAFKKA on 09 November 2009

The fact that you have COD3 says alot. Since it wasn't released on PC LOL :D I think i've learned enough to disregard your opinion on PC game.



Smashed on 09 November 2009
MAFKKA said:
The fact that you have COD3 says alot. Since it wasn't released on PC LOL :D I think i've learned enough to disregard your opinion on PC game.

Lol my mistake.

Okay, I have CoD1 and 2 LEGIT on PC lol.



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MAFKKA on 09 November 2009

^ i.e you don't own COD4 or have a cracked version, wich even further tells me alot about why you don't think IW net and the Consolification of COD:MW2 PC is a big deal. I'll end it at that. Thanks for playing.



dahuman on 09 November 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Xelloss said:
 

 

 Is it not just as presumptious to call it good simply because you liked it the previous game? I liked Cod4 well enough myself, but there is a laundry list of changes outlined elsewhere detailing changes between the two versions, and on the PC platform the changes are all unfavorable. I do not need to play the game to know that p2p hosting is laggy, 9v9 max match size is not desirable for what I liked about the franchise, 65 FOV is hard to look at among other things. Basically, it is not emotional - rather it is hard to rationally see how a game that basically, at its core, plays like Cod4 but has the changes detailed could be worth the time or effort on PC.

 Also, you are the one making poor assumptions in regards to the greater PC market. I will assert that my constant, and long involvement with many PC gamers and PC gaming communities and knowing a great great many PC gamers is sufficient for me to say that most PC gamers who liked Cod4 but learn of these changes are not happy. And I am not talking about hardcore PC gamers either, the majority of PC gamers I know are primarily MMO-ers who casually play FPS games with their friends, though I have also been involved with some large FPS clans and communities, typically more casual ones. Not counting yourself, I know 2 people who are still interested in buying the game on PC - like yourself they enjoy the SP, and about 2 dozen who are no longer interested. About a dozen of those being people who had not, and may not have heard of the changes had I, or someone, not taken the time to inform them. Not everyone who buys PC games pays attention to forums and things, they just go pick up the new version of a game they like when it comes out.

 

 You like the single player, more power to you. I persoanlly never even played Cod4 single player, I have 0 interest myself in the SP of a FPS, any FPS. If that is your thing, by all means, knock yourself out.

 It is important though, to get the word out so people do not dish out $$ for MW2 if they are PC gamers who are primarily interested in multiplayer and simply assume MW2 will be like MW1. What is shady on IW's part... is waiting until the 11th hour to drop all this news, they should have been more forthcoming and not assured PC gamers over the past couple years that MW2 would be like MW1.... because its not, and it was deceptive on their part.

 If I might ask, which platform are you planning on playing MW2 on? PC or console?

 EDIT: And yes, I agree with dahuman above - my concerns and comments are all PC related. If you are a console gamer, and like MW on conole by all means. It would appear to be a good game by the standards of console players, who have , by and large, different likes and tastes than those who choose to play FPS primarily on PC.

There are plenty of PC gamers mainly interested in SP gaming, and there are plenty of console gamers only interested in multiplayer. PC gamers do not have "higher standards" and saying PC gamers have anything, in a simple generalization. There are many different types of gamers on PC, and the multiplayer shooter niche is not necessarily the majority of PC gamers.

I think the game will be good because of the developers, not because I liked the previous game. I hope it will be good. I certainly won't call it "crap" or "garbage" that's just insulting and ignorant.

DO NOT QUOTE ME OUT OF CONTEXT HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS, BUT I'M MAKING A POINT: Let's turn it around though. I'm sure that PC gamers enjoy nice SP games like The Witcher, but console gamers have higher standards when it comes to their single player experiences. If The Witcher lives up to your standards as a SP gamers on PC, then by all means, it's a great PC game, but compared to Uncharted 2, or Mario Galaxy, it is absolute rubbish, and might as well never get ported, because it is terrible, compared to those great console exclusives, and below our standards. It might as well not even exist.

Of course, that is arrogant bs. However, it is just as insulting as your insinuations about my standards as a mainly console gamer. I don't need dedicated servers or a mouse and keyboard to enjoy multiplayer shooters, and you don't need Miyamoto, Kojima, Naughty Dog, or Team ICO, to enjoy single player gaming. It DOES NOT mean I have less fun playing. It does not mean I'm less skilled at multiplayer, and it does not mean that you will have a superior experience.

Tangent: Of course, just to counteract some spin, if you want to tell me "more exclusives have been released on PC this gen, then all of last gen" or something....well list them. We'll get a list chock full of independant, RTS, and MMO games, the reason those games are exclusive, isn't by choice. They are stuck on PC, and the lot of them don't equal 1 Uncharted 2, to the single player entheusiast, imho.

The whole "your standards are lower" argument is bull no matter who makes it. Every platform has higher standards for certain things, especially when it comes to content, and acting as if gold content for another platform is "shit" to you, is about as elitist as you could possibly sound, if you realize it or not.

You're stuck with it, and this is one, if not the biggest game being released on PC this year, no matter how many people sign this petition and no matter how many people disagree with this multiplayer tweaks associated with it. PC is multiplayer centric and this game is the multiplayer game most people have been waiting for. It's understandable they're upset, but they're still gonna play it, believe me.

I do have high standards for FPS on PC(and WRPGs,) most PC gamers do, and I do think UC2 and SMG are better SP games that PC gamers won't have access to in their own genre lol, The Witcher is not even in the same genre =P. You want WRPG, it's the best on PC too, that's just how it is, the biggest WRPGs this gen so far all have better PC versions lol. There is no TPA on the PC anywhere close or even exist to UC2 and no platformer as good as SMG, these are all hard facts. Also, a lot of people simply have no standards when it comes to console games because they understand the limitations, but a lot of those limitations don't exist on the PC, so why is MW2 going backwards? no reason to buy that junk on PC ^^.  I also doubt the PC version would sell that well this time around, they should just stick to consoles from now on if that's the route they will take.



dahuman on 09 November 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Mudface said:
Xelloss said:

 Dude, your hilarious.  Try to at least put together an argument without putting words in other peoples mouths. Seriously.

 You are the one putting forth silly assertations like " the PC market wont care" yadda yadda, when it is clear as day you dont game on PC, or follow the market.

 It is not arrogance to want a company to fully utilize the strengths of their platform. PC mod/tweak community and PC FPS server-based online communities are a major part of the inherent strength of the PC gaming. It is not arrogance to want a game to utilize those strengths, nor call it crap if a developer is so silly as to ignore them. If a dev made a console game without taking the strengths of consoles into account, people would call it crap as well and rightfully so. You call me ignorant,but it is clearer and clearer with every post that you truly do not have any mastery over the subject matter.

And as far as tryng to talk about single player, who cares? This is a discussion about MW2, on PC. Specifically about the failings of its multiplayer on PC. We also were never talking about SP, SP gamers (other than yourself) or all PC gamers everywhere who play any game on PC. I thought you would realize this from context, but to clarify - we were discussing PC FPS MULTIPLAYER GAMERS. I know that some people will say "well be specific", but honestly, spelling everything out is so tiresome. If you really liek the SP of MW, go buy. We already established that, if you want to talk further SP it should probably be in a different thread.

 

Edit: Oh, also see the red and green colored in quote above. Couldnt help it.

 

Sadly, it's far from the first time that he's completely derailed a thread in here with his ignorant, rambling posts. Despite his pomposity, he really doesn't have a clue.

I didn't mean to derail the thread, and in fact, I'm not the one who started this argument.

The above poster mentioned that I derailed the thread with SP gaming discussion, but actually, I was showing how elitist it looks to openly claim that console style MP games aren't worth porting to PC because they're "crap."

Namecalling games, and elitist statements are common in this thread, and I disagree with most of them so I'm going to say it. I didn't actually want to discuss SP gaming, I clearly stated that it was an example. I don't even believe what I said, and I clearly labled it.

Anyway, get back on topic if you would like. Go sign or don't sign the petition, I don't care. However, I don't think it will have the desired results, and I certainly am a PC gamer. I have the credentials. I have 2 level 70 toons on WoW, I've beaten The Witcher, and I don't need to prove my beliefs to anyone. Just because you don't like then, doesn't mean you should flame me, but do what you feel.

uh.... 2 lvl 70 toons on WoW is not exactly something to brag about since I've had more than that even back in BC in Sunwell gear.... not to mention Lich King raiding destroyed WoW for me since it's ass easy now, glad I quit..... just saying..... and you should quit WoW..... shit is not good for your mental health. Witcher was alright, nothing to write home about but does it's job.



dahuman on 09 November 2009
MAFKKA said:
^ i.e you don't own COD4 or have a cracked version, wich even further tells me alot about why you don't think IW net and the Consolification of COD:MW2 PC is a big deal. I'll end it at that. Thanks for playing.

owned. >.>;



vlad321 on 10 November 2009
dahuman said:
MAFKKA said:
^ i.e you don't own COD4 or have a cracked version, wich even further tells me alot about why you don't think IW net and the Consolification of COD:MW2 PC is a big deal. I'll end it at that. Thanks for playing.

owned. >.>;

Indeed, that was pretty harsh.



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