Where did I say sales always = great game? (although if a game sells well, it would usually indicate that it does SOMETHING right, don't you agree?)

Of course Wii has some games here or there that deserve better sales, but this is true with any console. My point is that Wii owners aren't from mars. They are gamers just like the PS360 gamers who simply want good games that is worth their $50. Games like Muramasa, No More Heroes, and Zack and Wiki are great, but they wouldn't sell well on ANY console, because they are niche. Madworld is an example of a game that is great, but not worth $50 because it's way to short.

I'm just sick of hearing of those poor 3rd parties who are being denied sales because of those crazy Wii owners who supposedly refuse to buy 3rd party games or the jaugernaut Nintendo stealing their thunder. Maybe the main problem is the developer making the game, not nintendo or the consumers.

If Crystal Bearers is a good enough game with a mainstream appeal, then it will do just fine in sales. It looks pretty good so I'm confident it will get the sales. I just don't like the attitude of "those strange Wii gamers are sooo tricky to sell to..."

You complained about 3rd parties whining and said if they make a good game it will sell and I pointed out to you that is not the case with examples. I didn't say it was only the Wii, but Wii fans seem to treat any developer who wasn't happy with sales as if they were a jackass and they made a crap game.

Mainstream appeal or not, I think historically Nintendo 1st party games have been much stronger than Sony or Microsoft first party games versus 3rd party sales.

If you loot at the top 10 selling Wii games they are 9 Nintendo games and one 3rd party game with the name Mario in it.

On the other hand, 360 has 7 3rd party games in the top 10 and the PS3 has 6 games that are 3rd party there. Since the old days Nintendo smothered the other software companis because it was the reason they bought the console usually. Especially now with the expanding audience they are THE equivilant to a Wii game for a lot of 1st time gamers or returning ones from the NES/SNES days.

I'm not saying that they would have done better with mainstream appeal, but a game like Bioshock went into a story that was something that was about an underwater world that was some kind of city city built on the philodophy with very strange characters and a major twist that many might have found very weird. None of those things made it a mainstream game, but Bioshock did sell better than expectations, I'm just sauying sales do not equal quality and some games use mainstream appeal and sell well despite terrible games, using licenses and such things.

----->I didn't say it was only the Wii, but Wii fans seem to treat any developer who wasn't happy with sales as if they were a jackass and they made a crap game.

"Wii fans seem to treat any developer who wasn't happy with sales as if they were a jackass and they made a crap game."

It's mainly if they blame the Wii that causes the problem. I think a couple developers have stated their games didn't sell what they'd liked, but that they would try better next time.

Also, when an HD game doesn't sell well, the HD fans also state it was because the developers didn't make that good a game (Haze and Lair).

How is that bad, when Sony fans have actually stated those developers deserved to go bankrupt for making such bad games?

Just to mention that you forgot about Punch Out! which couldn't be any more 'blah blah blah core'.

There's a thread dedicated to wishing the death of 3rd party companies for there development strategies anc asking why thats bad?..and like a i said in my post the MAJORITY of this nonsense happens here, PS3 always gets crappy ports or shafted do to timed exclusives or DLC and never( at least in my time of being here) has there ever been a wish for bankruptcy or closing of a studio. In that same thread somebody said all 3rd parties desrve to flop if ther games aent NINTENDO lv quality..thats ridiculous...thats like saying all RPG's deserve flop if there not FF13 quality

"There's a thread dedicated to wishing the death of 3rd party companies for there development strategies anc asking why thats bad?"

No, I was asking how those examples were bad. And it doesn't matter if you haven't seen it. They have wished for it, even if on other sites.

your absolutely rite..iim never happy with anybody who participate in this shit..but instead of u agreeing with me, the only thing im gettin from you is " they did it toooooo!!!!", and again its happens on this side of the forum the most...and in all honesty threads and ppl who do this just scream im bitter crybaby