Yeah, I imagine Sony has basically drained the majority of the profits from the PS2 and PS1 eras.

Microsoft will have IPs in place, Xbox LIVE fully integrated, and will have Blu-Ray in the next Xbox. Microsoft is just learning as they go on.

they will have Bluray? Well that's news to me.

Don't be so proud of this numeroligical terror they've constructed.

I'm sure that MS has a much better handle of exactly how many systems they've sold than someone who looks the number up on a website that (admittedly) estimates its figures.  This would not be the first (or last) time that VGC is off by a few %.  There have been times where it's been off even more than that.

An argument can be made that he mispoke, or that what he said isn't what we think it means (shipped vs. purchased), but to flat out say that MS is wrong, because VGC somehow knows their business better than they do, is rather condescending.

maybe if you read the other 2 threads, you would understand that their number is shipped not sold.

I assumed that all the other people who are new to the site finally figured it out and stopped responding to this thread. VGC is right, and MS not only misspoke, but intentionally misrepresented the figure.

No, it is you who are intentionally misrepresenting the figure to make yourself feel better about VGcharts, and that is the sad, sad truth.

Who do I believe? VGC who has guestimates for figures or Microsoft who actually have the real figures in front of them?

Sounds to me like "You're wrong". Even if these were shipping numbers, VGC would still be off by 500K or more.

i don't think it's that much. They already made up for the $1 billion RROD warranty. If anything they probably have just over a billion to make up for and they should get that by the end of the year or Spring of next year. They'll be out of the black completely next year.

And exactly how would Microsoft know? They do not track sales to customers, they track their sales to retail stores. How are they supposed to know whether some shop sold the 360s they bought? They don't.
Especially around this time of year a shop would order another 5 units because they are expecting higher sales for the holidays. Do you really think MS would say, "that means they sold the other ones we already sent them". No, because it isn't true.

What are you talking about "even if these are shipping numbers, VGC......"? 500k or more of what? The estimates are on the front page saying that VGC expected 3.3M consoles to be shipped, and MS said 3.5. That's 200k not 500k, shipped.

Additionally VGC is not purely estimate on top of estimate. NPD and other sources release their official numbers every month. VGC can use these to tell how close the estimate is. If the numbers don't match up, they may alter them. Keep in mind that at least once, NPD has had different numbers than VGC, and then NPD changed their numbers to match VGC.

You both need to lurk moar, because you obviously have no idea how this works.

Less than 2 million more and they have 20 million sold in the US. Not to bad, now they need to work on Europe.