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phinch1 on 22 October 2009
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

and where do the asylum seekers go?

back to there country of origin? to be raped or mudered?

im not disagreeing entirely, im simply asking what you think we do with people who dont meet our "criteria"

rape and murder happens in any country, Is England rape and murder free? asylum seekers cross MANY safe countries before entering ours. last week a number of failed asylum seekers where flown back iraq, when they got there iraq didnt want them because they where criminals, so we had to take them back! how discusting is that, the Labour party has no intention of capping asylum seekers, jack straw on question time just had avoided the question 3 times when asked about how they where handeling imigration.

And the people that Don't meet our criteria? define critira and i will try and answer it



by criteria I meant the LABOUR governments new points system...

so you would send someone to be tortured in Iran rather than have 1 more person living here who doesnt fit your definition of British?

how do you know what my definition of British is if i never gave my view on it?

How do you know that every asylum seeker is in danger? what where the italians construction workers in danger in their own country? when they where working here for £4 and hour when British consturction workers where getting laid off, where they in danger of a bull perhaps?

whats are pols and slovakiens in danger of?

they do jobs British people dont want to do or do badly, many only stay short term to improve there life situation in there home nation (ecenomic migrants)

Do you really believe that they stay short term?  you didnt answer my question either , In what way are they in danger? there not! so no i wouldnt feel guilty sending these foreign workers home to their "safe and perfectly fine country" and giving jobs back to the 4 million british that are unemployed.


EDIT- and by British i mean black white asian or who ever that have lived here all their lives or have become british citizens



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highwaystar101 on 22 October 2009

I love (hate) how people pin the lack of good jobs on immigrants. Industrial outsourcing of labour to foreign countries loses dozens of times more jobs than immigration ever could, and it's not the bad jobs like cleaning toilets, it's the good jobs that people actually want that are being lost to industrial outsourcing.

An EU worker from Eastern Europe isn't taking your job, they're just taking a job that we don't want for the large part. The jobs we actually want are being outsourced to labour forces in China, India and other less economically developed countries where the labour force is cheap and abundant.

If we froze immigration today and kicked them all out and gave British jobs to British workers, the labour crisis would not get better, it would get worse. Because we would still continue to send our industry overseas because it is cheaper for us to do so.


It's not the immigrants taking your jobs, it's the people who want to cut labour costs by 90%.



SciFiBoy on 22 October 2009
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

and where do the asylum seekers go?

back to there country of origin? to be raped or mudered?

im not disagreeing entirely, im simply asking what you think we do with people who dont meet our "criteria"

rape and murder happens in any country, Is England rape and murder free? asylum seekers cross MANY safe countries before entering ours. last week a number of failed asylum seekers where flown back iraq, when they got there iraq didnt want them because they where criminals, so we had to take them back! how discusting is that, the Labour party has no intention of capping asylum seekers, jack straw on question time just had avoided the question 3 times when asked about how they where handeling imigration.

And the people that Don't meet our criteria? define critira and i will try and answer it



by criteria I meant the LABOUR governments new points system...

so you would send someone to be tortured in Iran rather than have 1 more person living here who doesnt fit your definition of British?

how do you know what my definition of British is if i never gave my view on it?

How do you know that every asylum seeker is in danger? what where the italians construction workers in danger in their own country? when they where working here for £4 and hour when British consturction workers where getting laid off, where they in danger of a bull perhaps?

whats are pols and slovakiens in danger of?

they do jobs British people dont want to do or do badly, many only stay short term to improve there life situation in there home nation (ecenomic migrants)

Do you really believe that they stay short term?  you didnt answer my question either , In what way are they in danger? there not! so no i wouldnt feel guilty sending these foreign workers home to their "safe and perfectly fine country" and giving jobs back to the 4 million british that are unemployed.


EDIT- and by British i mean black white asian or who ever that have lived here all their lives or have become british citizens

yes i do believe that, ive read it in the paper (the guardian btw, not some tabloid bs)

by danger i mean, many flee torture or war in africa

read highwaystars post, those jobs arent gonna go to brits if we kick people out, most of the ones working are here LEGALLY



zuvuyeay on 22 October 2009
Kantor said:
zuvuyeay said:
@scifiboy....

my point is that whites come from europe.......simple fact...

if you are british living in britain you have british rights.....same as any country around the world......nothing to do with race....

i'm not against the individual person.........i'm not sure what we are discussing here....

So you don't believe in the Nick Griffin's "indigenous" crap?

Bonnie Greer was correct in that all humans (or most) came from Africa. Some moved North after the Ice Age, and their skin became paler. So, yes, the people from Europe were white.

The whole idea of "indigenous people of Britain" is ridiculous, anyway. There are very few purely British people left, pretty much every British person, no matter their race, has foreign blood in them. That doesn't make them any more or less British than an "indigenous" Brit, or somebody originally from, say, India, who has lived in Britain all their life. This is an ideology shared by the majority of the nation, which Nick Griffin, the racist dick, disagrees with.

well thats right the celts are indigenous to the british isles........and britain has been invaded ever since over history.....and the uninon between scots/english/welsh/irish has been formed and broken and formed and ended up with the united kingdom we have now.......we are british...fact,

because of the relatively modern british empire we have a unique situation to most other countries in that we are multi cultural,personally i think things potter along pretty well in this country and if you have a british passport you are british.....

i think we all know nick griffin is talking about whites and christianity...........and is opposed to other races and religions being dominant.....in britain and it will be left up to the voters to decide anything as is the norm in politics......

 



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SciFiBoy on 22 October 2009
zuvuyeay said:
Kantor said:
zuvuyeay said:
@scifiboy....

my point is that whites come from europe.......simple fact...

if you are british living in britain you have british rights.....same as any country around the world......nothing to do with race....

i'm not against the individual person.........i'm not sure what we are discussing here....

So you don't believe in the Nick Griffin's "indigenous" crap?

Bonnie Greer was correct in that all humans (or most) came from Africa. Some moved North after the Ice Age, and their skin became paler. So, yes, the people from Europe were white.

The whole idea of "indigenous people of Britain" is ridiculous, anyway. There are very few purely British people left, pretty much every British person, no matter their race, has foreign blood in them. That doesn't make them any more or less British than an "indigenous" Brit, or somebody originally from, say, India, who has lived in Britain all their life. This is an ideology shared by the majority of the nation, which Nick Griffin, the racist dick, disagrees with.

well thats right the celts are indigenous to the british isles........and britain has been invaded ever since over history.....and the uninon between scots/english/welsh/irish has been formed and broken and formed and ended up with the united kingdom we have now.......we are british...fact,

because of the relatively modern british empire we have a unique situation to most other countries in that we are multi cultural,personally i think things potter along pretty well in this country and if you have a british passport you are british.....

i think we all know nick griffin is talking about whites and christianity...........and is opposed to other races and religions being dominant.....in britain and it will be left up to the voters to decide anything as is the norm in politics......

 

haha, you think the UK is a democracy, believe me, im learning about our system, democracy, it sure as hell aint



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phinch1 on 22 October 2009
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

and where do the asylum seekers go?

back to there country of origin? to be raped or mudered?

im not disagreeing entirely, im simply asking what you think we do with people who dont meet our "criteria"

rape and murder happens in any country, Is England rape and murder free? asylum seekers cross MANY safe countries before entering ours. last week a number of failed asylum seekers where flown back iraq, when they got there iraq didnt want them because they where criminals, so we had to take them back! how discusting is that, the Labour party has no intention of capping asylum seekers, jack straw on question time just had avoided the question 3 times when asked about how they where handeling imigration.

And the people that Don't meet our criteria? define critira and i will try and answer it



by criteria I meant the LABOUR governments new points system...

so you would send someone to be tortured in Iran rather than have 1 more person living here who doesnt fit your definition of British?

how do you know what my definition of British is if i never gave my view on it?

How do you know that every asylum seeker is in danger? what where the italians construction workers in danger in their own country? when they where working here for £4 and hour when British consturction workers where getting laid off, where they in danger of a bull perhaps?

whats are pols and slovakiens in danger of?

they do jobs British people dont want to do or do badly, many only stay short term to improve there life situation in there home nation (ecenomic migrants)

Do you really believe that they stay short term?  you didnt answer my question either , In what way are they in danger? there not! so no i wouldnt feel guilty sending these foreign workers home to their "safe and perfectly fine country" and giving jobs back to the 4 million british that are unemployed.


EDIT- and by British i mean black white asian or who ever that have lived here all their lives or have become british citizens

yes i do believe that, ive read it in the paper (the guardian btw, not some tabloid bs)

by danger i mean, many flee torture or war in africa

read highwaystars post, those jobs arent gonna go to brits if we kick people out, most of the ones working are here LEGALLY

ok im not going to talk about any paper, cause perosnally I think there all bulll shit, Im going to talk about real life! when i started working at tesco 4 years ago I remember when i served my first polish customer, and i rememberd him well because he was so rude ignoring me when i said hello ( I dont care if he cant speak the english lauage im not going to be arrogant and say he should learn, but if you go to a country for a period of time, learning hello goodbye and thank you is just being poilite) any way back to the story 4 years later i still serve him and id say i serve 35-40 polish people a night and probably 100-120 british people and yes i still serve that man that came here 4 years ago, can you please tell me when he plan on going back? cause i really don't think he plans on doing so.

I have never heard of a mass mirgation problem from africa :S, i may hear odd cases , and i mean the odd case.




zuvuyeay on 22 October 2009

@scifi boy.....

well its kind of a democracy.......some people say there is no such thing......

i never told you what i believe.......and don't believe everything you're taught......lol



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SciFiBoy on 22 October 2009
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

yes i do believe that, ive read it in the paper (the guardian btw, not some tabloid bs)

by danger i mean, many flee torture or war in africa

read highwaystars post, those jobs arent gonna go to brits if we kick people out, most of the ones working are here LEGALLY

ok im not going to talk about any paper, cause perosnally I think there all bulll shit, Im going to talk about real life! when i started working at tesco 4 years ago I remember when i served my first polish customer, and i rememberd him well because he was so rude ignoring me when i said hello ( I dont care if he cant speak the english lauage im not going to be arrogant and say he should learn, but if you go to a country for a period of time, learning hello goodbye and thank you is just being poilite) any way back to the story 4 years later i still serve him and id say i serve 35-40 polish people a night and probably 100-120 british people and yes i still serve that man that came here 4 years ago, can you please tell me when he plan on going back? cause i really don't think he plans on doing so.

I have never heard of a mass mirgation problem from africa :S, i may hear odd cases , and i mean the odd case.

if he is here legally whats your problem? polish people have every right to come here and us to go to Poland btw

africa migrants are generally asylum seekers, not many come in fairness, but most come for legit reasons.

also, assuming your personal experience is the status quo is the height of arrogance, get some perspective.



phinch1 on 22 October 2009
SciFiBoy said:
phinch1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

yes i do believe that, ive read it in the paper (the guardian btw, not some tabloid bs)

by danger i mean, many flee torture or war in africa

read highwaystars post, those jobs arent gonna go to brits if we kick people out, most of the ones working are here LEGALLY

ok im not going to talk about any paper, cause perosnally I think there all bulll shit, Im going to talk about real life! when i started working at tesco 4 years ago I remember when i served my first polish customer, and i rememberd him well because he was so rude ignoring me when i said hello ( I dont care if he cant speak the english lauage im not going to be arrogant and say he should learn, but if you go to a country for a period of time, learning hello goodbye and thank you is just being poilite) any way back to the story 4 years later i still serve him and id say i serve 35-40 polish people a night and probably 100-120 british people and yes i still serve that man that came here 4 years ago, can you please tell me when he plan on going back? cause i really don't think he plans on doing so.

I have never heard of a mass mirgation problem from africa :S, i may hear odd cases , and i mean the odd case.

if he is here legally whats your problem? polish people have every right to come here and us to go to Poland btw

africa migrants are generally asylum seekers, not many come in fairness, but most come for legit reasons.

also, assuming your personal experience is the status quo is the height of arrogance, get some perspective.

did i say i had a problem with him working here legally? i said i had a problem thats he is too rude to learn helllo, if i went to poland, id learn to say hello in their language, i was just proving to you that they don't stay here for a short period of time as you said, not from reading any news paper, but from real life



highwaystar101 on 22 October 2009
phinch1 said:

SciFiBoy said:

yes i do believe that, ive read it in the paper (the guardian btw, not some tabloid bs)


by danger i mean, many flee torture or war in africa

read highwaystars post, those jobs arent gonna go to brits if we kick people out, most of the ones working are here LEGALLY

ok im not going to talk about any paper, cause perosnally I think there all bulll shit, Im going to talk about real life! when i started working at tesco 4 years ago I remember when i served my first polish customer, and i rememberd him well because he was so rude ignoring me when i said hello ( I dont care if he cant speak the english lauage im not going to be arrogant and say he should learn, but if you go to a country for a period of time, learning hello goodbye and thank you is just being poilite) any way back to the story 4 years later i still serve him and id say i serve 35-40 polish people a night and probably 100-120 british people and yes i still serve that man that came here 4 years ago, can you please tell me when he plan on going back? cause i really don't think he plans on doing so.

I have never heard of a mass mirgation problem from africa :S, i may hear odd cases , and i mean the odd case.

I think you will find that he wasn't purposely trying to be rude, the Polish culture is very different to ours and what we perceive as rude may not be to them. Admittedly migrant workers should learn to adopt the customs of the country they are working with, that's common sense, but a change cannot happen overnight as it were. You will probably find he has tried very hard to learn the English language and customs.

Anyway, I digress. A migrant worker can work here for an indefinite amount of time if they are a member of the EU, that is their right. We in return have the same rights, if I wanted to operate out of Poland then I can do so. Over 4 million British people work and live abroad, we get the same rights and privileges. This is a two way street.

Anyway, if you must blame someone for taking British jobs away from British workers then you should blame those that decide to try and cut Labour costs by 90% by moving their industrial operations to a country where the populations labour force is cheap and abundant. Did you know that 70% of the British economy is tertiary based? It's true, the whole Secondary and Primary industry together only accounts for 30%. Why is it so small? Because Primary and Secondary industry is easy and cheap to outsource. People complain about a few hundred thousand jobs here and there taken by immigrants, but always fail to acknowledge the tens of millions of jobs that are being lost to outsourcing labour. And I've never been able to get my head round that ideology.

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Migration based on asylum from war torn countries is common, unfortunately there are several African countries that fall under this category as well as many others worldwide. There are 101,000 Somalian immigrants in Britain today and I would imagine many of them have come due to the threat of piracy. Unfortunately we need to be a little more strict about immigration in situations like this.