MMOs are also constantly being updated with heavy hits on bandwidth and servers that costs $$, PS3 online games are "mostly" based on P2P connections whereas XBL has actual servers, so there is no reason to charge for PSN at all. The problem with the way PS3 does things is that you have to pray for everybody you play with to have good connection speed like yours, and that's why it's free. PC is still the superior in that aspect since you can just run servers for nothing but your usual internet bill for the most part unless you are in a big clan that rents them.

MMOs are also constantly being updated with heavy hits on bandwidth and servers that costs $$, PS3 online games are "mostly" based on P2P connections whereas XBL has actual servers, so there is no reason to charge for PSN at all. The problem with the way PS3 does things is that you have to pray for everybody you play with to have good connection speed like yours, and that's why it's free. PC is still the superior in that aspect since you can just run servers for nothing but your usual internet bill for the most part unless you are in a big clan that rents them.

MMOs are also constantly being updated with heavy hits on bandwidth and servers that costs $$, PS3 online games are "mostly" based on P2P connections whereas XBL has actual servers, so there is no reason to charge for PSN at all. The problem with the way PS3 does things is that you have to pray for everybody you play with to have good connection speed like yours, and that's why it's free. PC is still the superior in that aspect since you can just run servers for nothing but your usual internet bill for the most part unless you are in a big clan that rents them.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. So, this isn't necessarily directed towars you.

Trust me, it's nothing personal, if I seem a little persnicketty, it's because I have been repeating myself since the thread was started (although it is doing wonders for my VGchartz $ lol)

That's fine. I can understand being frustrated from things, trust me.

What I'm saying is that I can understand MMO's charging a subscription fee. I just won't pay it, so I won't play them. Really, that's all there is to it. I REFUSE to pay to play online. If I can't play it right out of the box, then I'm not gonna do it. I have better way to spend my money.

Fair enough. See THAT is an argument that is logical. I can stand behind it.

The other arguement says WHY I refuse to do it. I have the view that when I buy the game, and the online part is on the disc, then I own the online. If I can't play it for free, I won't play it. I think that's what most people are trying to say here.

EDIT: To clarify, DLC is okay, but I usually don't buy it since it tends to be for multiplayer a lot. If, however, the dev includes the DLC on my disc, but requires me to pay to unlock it, THEN I have a problem.

MMOs are also constantly being updated with heavy hits on bandwidth and servers that costs $$, PS3 online games are "mostly" based on P2P connections whereas XBL has actual servers, so there is no reason to charge for PSN at all. The problem with the way PS3 does things is that you have to pray for everybody you play with to have good connection speed like yours, and that's why it's free. PC is still the superior in that aspect since you can just run servers for nothing but your usual internet bill for the most part unless you are in a big clan that rents them.

I think you have PSN and XBL switched. PSN is not a P2P network, and XBL is a P2P network. But yes, this is the free market, XBL is a pay service, and as long as people are willing to purchase the right to use that service, MS will continue to charge.

BTW. Servers are not free, they cost money to upkeep, upgrade, they use elctricity. What you though a server was just a bare bones computor that runs on air in an enclosed room that never sees daylight?

XBL is NOT P2P, they are charging because they are literally running servers for the games. PSN works more like a web server, and when you are playing online games, it's all P2P for the most part unless the specific game has dedicated servers, which is also how the Wii(Nintendo uses gamespy service btw) works in general. P2P costs nothing for Sony or Nintendo when in effect, the only bandwidth they'd be using is for matchmaking, kind of like hand shaking people together much like what we are doing right now in a sense on an online forum, so of course it's free, the problem is P2P is strictly based on the players' connection speed. I have a problem with XBL because I simply think they are charging too much for what I would get.

OK, you know what? I just did some digging, and I'm stuck in the old Xbox days when there were actual servers, apparently that's not true anymore for the most part, XBL is now officially on my shit list, thanks for the info ironman.

No problem! I just hope it's not because you still think you pay for the right to use an online gaming service with the game.