Oh dear youre not very bright are you lol.

I have an excellent Internet connection.  Its 20MB DL and 768KB upload.  And with an extremely good router.  Also as an IT Manager I know how good my connection is and if it wasnt excellent I wouldnt put up with it.

I have 2 Xboxes and 2 accounts because theyre are 2 different people playing at the same time.  This doesnt not mean however that we are both playing the same game or that we are both playing multiplayer games (before you blame that for lag)

A lot of the features you mention have only just been added AND some of them you have to pay for.  I also wouldnt use any of them.  I have my PC and laptop for things like Facebook.

And the comment about other platforms using servers to host games and costing more as a result is of obvious relevence.  It costs MORE and yet is FREE.  Get a grip.

The point about Skype is that and I cant believe I am having to explain something so simple.  Voice Over IP is a free technology.  It doesnt cost anything to host or to implement, so paying for cross gaming chat doesnt cost anything either.

If you do a simple calculation around 1 year ago it was noted that Microsoft had around 10 million gold subscribers at aounrd £40 per year.  That means Microsoft are making £400 million so they can SELL you movies, additional content the odd freebee and allow you to host your own games.

I love my Xbox, I just dont like being ripped off. 

Now if you were to get off your FANBOY soap box and breath the air of reality youll realise that 99 percent of the features you think are worth paying for can be used on the Internet for free.  And the things that you pay for on Xbox live cost no more elsewhere.

So with all this made clear.  JUST WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR.

I think most of you are bonkers.

uhuh, judging from your satements here, the same could be said of you.

Xbox live just incase you hadnt noticed is mainly a shop that you can spend more money paying for movies etc.  So for example if I were to go to a video store like blockbusters I would pay around £4 for a dvd.  On Xbox live Id pay (wait for it) £4.50.

XBL just incase you hadn't noticed, is an online community that just happens to have a very conveniant online shop available to it. You forget that with the gold membership, you can use crossgame chat, play games with or against other gold members, and have access to free content. But hey, don't let the facts stop you!

Also on Xbox Live you or another person playing is the host of the game and therefore everyone is affected by 2 factors, 1 the quality of your connection and 2 the location of the players.  This is about 40 percent of the games I have seen causes unbareable lag and also enables people to use lag switching to give themselves an unfair advantage.

I believe that would be your connection. Ever since  Igot my new ISP I would say my lag experiance has dropped from about 30% to about 7%...and that is with a really crappy router. Nice try though.

On other platforms servers are being used to host games.  Which is odd as this is a much more expensive way to enable online gaming at yet, you are not charged for it.

This may be true, but it has no relevance to the topic at hand...actually, non of this really does, it looks to me more like a troll post...

I have 2 Xboxs and therefore have to pay £80 a year to play online.  If I were to change to 2 PS3's that would be nothing.

No, you can switch your account back and forth between them if you really must use them both, it only takes five minutes.

And just one last thing.  Cross game chat is not worth anything.  You can download software like Skype on a PC and do the same sort of thing for nothing.  Once again Microsoft is just ripping people off and until everyone says no thanks they are not going to change.

Yeah, since when have you ebver used skype or MSN to chat with people plying other games on the PS3...I would venture a guess...NEVER. you know why? because that is a clunky and inefective way of doing it. Don't try to downplay crossgame chat, it is a lot better than you make it out to be.

Honestly paying £40 a year to host your own games.  Refuckingdiculous.

Not really, it's the only option for people wanting to play certain exclusives online with their friends. I would say your statements thus far have been "Refuckingdiculous".

Now after all that I wouldnt mind paying £10 a year.  I think thats fair for a service that gives you nothing you cant get elsewhere for free.  They can make their money from the DLC, which btw is being well over used by companiesa and that is going to backfire if they are not careful.

Yes because the netflix, Last FM, Facebook, and crossgame chatting are something that PSN offers. seriously dude, get a life.

Oh im still in he forum.

And this is so amusing.

My internet connection is Cable.  And its extremely good, as I have already said. And if you dont get it Ill explain.  If you host a game you have a separate connection to each player that is in your game.  So for COD4 there are 16 people connecting to your Xbox through your connection.  If you connect to a server there is 1 connection to the server.

See, thats funny, cuz mine is dsl and I don't have nearly the problem you have with lag. Perhaps you should explore other ISP options.

Yes there are 2 people playing.  1 PERSON PAYING lol.  Honestly.

So, there are TWO people playing, you could just as easily share an account if it was really that big a deal to you...but i suppose you didn't think of that. honestly....

I just mentioned I wouldnt be using them as you mentioned them in the first place.  And as I said you can get them on the Internet for free, so when talking about a service you have to pay for, you shouldnt even be listing them as benefits.

Yes, but you can't get them on your console, I don't care what you can get on the internet free, unless you can use them on the 360, they are pointless to even bring up.

And your silly response to servers vs hosting your own games.  Yes you have to pay for the game.  But the game on the Xbox is not cheaper than the PS3 version.  Explain your point.

Easy, the 360 owners pay for it as well, we just don't get the dedicated servers. Anyway, this is a non issue,

I dont think you understand the basic of IT.  Its not really cross game chat.  Its just chat.  Just because people can be in different games doesnt make it anymore special.  Youre just hosting a chat session whilst playing a game.

No, I don't think YOU understand the "issue" it's crossgame chat, whether it;s chat or not, it still spans across games, this is something that PSN does not have...care to tell me why if it is "just chat"?

Well if you want to pay for features on Xbox that you can use on the Internet for free then you have more money than sense.

Who wants to sit next to their computor while using their xbox? I mean honestly...do you posess the ability to reason at all??? so far you have not shown me that you do.

I didnt say I didnt like Xbox live.  I love as I have already said my Xbox. However to pay for services that are free everywhere else is silly, I do think youre starting to agree as well. And if I do want to play games like Gears then I do have to play for live.  Whereas if I wanted to play Uncharted 2 online I dont have to pay.  And BTW that game is fantastic.

I doubt, it, with all the bitching an moaning about XBL I really don't believe you, if you DONT WANT TO PAY FOR THE "FREE" SERVICES< DONT BUY XBL. If you want to play gears on line, you have to pay for the service, to me $38.99 is a reasonable price to pay for an already awsome service. if it's not worth it to you, then stop paying for it. it's really so easy a caveman could do it!

So the 99 percent features on the console are clunky.  Youre the one that used them in your argument.  I have always said I wouldnt use them/  Someones losing it. 

Erm, you were the one that brought up the 99% of the features of live...not me, so check yourself, you certainly are losing it.

Your last comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Maybe youre getting angry because your last post is just a compilation of contradictory statements from yor previoous post.

Yeah, not so much, It was quite clear what I meant, it's not my problem if you can't figure it out.

Anyway your opinions are beneath me and most life forms.  Ill leave you to your world.  Hope youve learned something today.

XD once again, the elitist attitude, it was nice finding out about your true character. Insulting people because they use reason to dismantle a failed attempt at an argument, yeah, I learned something about you today...

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@ domicinator, the PSN browser is buggy at best, using facebook and Twitter is a royal pain from what I hear. on XBL they are dedicated apps. So yes,  Ican use them as an argument.I already said that crossgame chat was coming to PSN and it was a non issue, I was suprised that this guy was even bothering to bring it up.

As long as people have to pay a mere pittance to play with their friends online, I think they will. I am ok with paying $38.99 a year so I can play Halo 3 online with my friends, that right there is worth it. Would I like it to be free, absolutely, but as long as I must pay for it, I will gladly do so.