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MS did have a lotta JRPG'S but how many of those were even AA.. none of 'em...blue dragon is mediocre at best and the less said about SO4.. the better... You cant win a battle with avg games.. no matter how much u hype them...



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That's all a matter of opinion



arsenicazure said:
MS did have a lotta JRPG'S but how many of those were even AA.. none of 'em...blue dragon is mediocre at best and the less said about SO4.. the better... You cant win a battle with avg games.. no matter how much u hype them...

That's all a matter of opinion



well they sure have the dominance in western RPG and having the main RPGs come out on the 360 with most of them 1 year ahead of PS3 was a great feat.

The tables are turned for next gen. PS won't mean RPG.


To all those saying 360 RPGs sucked.... besides demon soul (barely out), what have PS3 RPG fans had so far? yeah right...ports of the 360 RPGs, 1 year later, wow!!



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It was a good attempt, but they need to work on getting the IP, not just the timed exclusive, look at LO...why is there no LO 2 aanounced for 2010?



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Dude of course none of them are 80 and over. These are mainly western Xbox reviewers (on metacritic). It would take a Final Fantasy for them to fork out a AAA. Most critics are complete blockbuster fanboys. They'll give out 100% indiscriminately to the GTAs and what not even though no reviewer should ever give out 100%. No such thing as perfection.

Now go look at the Famitsu reviewers. Different story there. The Last Remnant 38/40 (I haven't played this but WoW. Famitsu scores this radically different than the western reviewers have), Blue Dragon 37/40, Lost Odyssey 36/40, ToV and Eternal Sonata 35/40 SO4 34/40, Infinite Undiscovery 32/40 (Japanese critics liked it that much? Really?)

As you can see, the 360 jrpgs were critically well received by Famitsu. And of course they weren't going to hit it out of the park with sales but they were very respectable considering 1) HD Jrpgs don't sell there (WKC sits at 1st with 350,000 in Japan until Final Fantasy comes along) and 2) the 360 has a huge install base disadvantage.

Microsoft should not give up on Japanese games. Take a look at the library they have over there. They have lots of niche/quirky Japanese games (visual novels, shmups, sims, all sorts of stuff) exclusive/console exclusive to 360 over there. The 360 has a higher tie ratio than Wii and PS3 in Japan so it's obvious the 360 owners are enjoying the 360 software. Except for the Tales and Star Ocean fanboys who just bought it for 1 game. Those fanboys should play some of those quirky 360 exclusive Japanese games or god forbid be open-minded for once and try Halo, Gears, Fable, etc. And the install base is up to 1.1-1.2 million (way up from original xbox) even though the home console market is much smaller than last gen thanks to portables. Apparently the 360 has 8.5% of the home console market share. That is a huge improvement from last gen.



loves2splooge said:
Dude of course none of them are 80 and over. These are mainly western Xbox reviewers (on metacritic). It would take a Final Fantasy for them to fork out a AAA. Most critics are complete blockbuster fanboys. They'll give out 100% indiscriminately to the GTAs and what not even though no reviewer should ever give out 100%. No such thing as perfection.

Now go look at the Famitsu reviewers. Different story there. The Last Remnant 38/40 (I haven't played this but WoW. Famitsu scores this radically different than the western reviewers have), Blue Dragon 37/40, Lost Odyssey 36/40, ToV and Eternal Sonata 35/40 SO4 34/40, Infinite Undiscovery 32/40 (Japanese critics liked it that much? Really?)

As you can see, the 360 jrpgs were critically well received by Famitsu. And of course they weren't going to hit it out of the park with sales but they were very respectable considering 1) HD Jrpgs don't sell there (WKC sits at 1st with 350,000 in Japan until Final Fantasy comes along) and 2) the 360 has a huge install base disadvantage.

Microsoft should not give up on Japanese games. Take a look at the library they have over there. They have lots of niche/quirky Japanese games (visual novels, shmups, sims, all sorts of stuff) exclusive/console exclusive to 360 over there. The 360 has a higher tie ratio than Wii and PS3 in Japan so it's obvious the 360 owners are enjoying the 360 software. Except for the Tales and Star Ocean fanboys who just bought it for 1 game. Those fanboys should play some of those quirky 360 exclusive Japanese games or god forbid be open-minded for once and try Halo, Gears, Fable, etc. And the install base is up to 1.1-1.2 million (way up from original xbox) even though the home console market is much smaller than last gen thanks to portables. Apparently the 360 has 8.5% of the home console market share. That is a huge improvement from last gen.

not give up..just go about it in a smarter way...Alot of these were new IPs...so M$ should have bought the IP, rather than timed exclusives...that way, you build on something wrt to sequels.



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loves2splooge said:
Dude of course none of them are 80 and over. These are mainly western Xbox reviewers (on metacritic). It would take a Final Fantasy for them to fork out a AAA. Most critics are complete blockbuster fanboys. They'll give out 100% indiscriminately to the GTAs and what not even though no reviewer should ever give out 100%. No such thing as perfection.

Now go look at the Famitsu reviewers. Different story there. The Last Remnant 38/40 (I haven't played this but WoW. Famitsu scores this radically different than the western reviewers have), Blue Dragon 37/40, Lost Odyssey 36/40, ToV and Eternal Sonata 35/40 SO4 34/40, Infinite Undiscovery 32/40 (Japanese critics liked it that much? Really?)

As you can see, the 360 jrpgs were critically well received by Famitsu. And of course they weren't going to hit it out of the park with sales but they were very respectable considering 1) HD Jrpgs don't sell there (WKC sits at 1st with 350,000 in Japan until Final Fantasy comes along) and 2) the 360 has a huge install base disadvantage.

Microsoft should not give up on Japanese games. Take a look at the library they have over there. They have lots of niche/quirky Japanese games (visual novels, shmups, sims, all sorts of stuff) exclusive/console exclusive to 360 over there. The 360 has a higher tie ratio than Wii and PS3 in Japan so it's obvious the 360 owners are enjoying the 360 software. Except for the Tales and Star Ocean fanboys who just bought it for 1 game. Those fanboys should play some of those quirky 360 exclusive Japanese games or god forbid be open-minded for once and try Halo, Gears, Fable, etc. And the install base is up to 1.1-1.2 million (way up from original xbox) even though the home console market is much smaller than last gen thanks to portables. Apparently the 360 has 8.5% of the home console market share. That is a huge improvement from last gen.

HAHHAHHAAA this made me laugh my freakin ass off. Famitsu? You're trying to use freakin Famitsu as a means to compare reviews with? Hate to break it to you but 1. The Last Remnant, was a technical nightmare that shouldn't have gotten anywhere near that kind of mark. 2. SO4 is an abomination, gameplay was good but my god the soundtrack...



Believe me what ever scores the JRPGs got EVERYWHERE else were correct. It's not reviewers being westerners or fanboys. If they were please explain why Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia garnered critical acclaim. I'll tell you why, they didnt suck. 



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Actually ToV got 79, LO 78 on metacritic (Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata also got 79 btw. It's the Square Enix games, Enchanted Arms and ATLUS SRPGs that scored a good bit lower). Among video game reviewers, 79s and 78s isn't much critical acclaim. Especially when you consider the fact that these fanboy reviewers indiscriminately throw 100s to blockbuster games like they were candy. 78-79 should be treated like a B+ but in the video game world, marks are very inflated. No game should ever get 100. There's no such thing as perfection.



12-17-09. Pretty much seals the coffin on jrpgs on the 360 (though a few companies might try the old trick of putting jrpgs on 360 to add a bit of money to finance their PS3 versions). Still by GT5's releae date in Japan in March of '10, the PS3 will have sold over 5 million units in Japan while the 360 will still be under 1.5 million there, and as a result the PS3 will be attracting a lot of exclusive Japanese support.