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Onyxmeth said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

Besides whats wrong with teenage melodrama?

 

You'll understand better when you're not a teenager.

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Son1x said:
I just don't like the fact that SE doesn't make as many JRPGs as before (or well Square and Enix individualy). I mean on PS1, we had FF, Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story, Chrono Cross, SaGa Frontier, FF Tactics, Legend of Mana and Xenogears from Square and Dragon Quest VII, Star Ocean 2, Valkyrie Profile from Enix.
Next generation we still got FFs, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Unlimited SaGa, Romancing SaGa, a Mana game, Radiata Stories, Kingdom Hearts.

Now we have what... Star Ocean 4, and thats about it. Then Dragon Quest X + FF XIII (and versus) coming, and thats about it for now...

No, he has a point.  He didn't name everything that has come out (There's been a Front Mission game, a Chrono port, A Mana game, some games from Browniw Brown like Magical Vacation 2, etc), but he brings up an important point.  In this gen, SquareEnix has basically made upwards of 40+ (last time I checked) Final Fantasy titles since 2004.  And about 12 Dragon Quest titles.  But in all that time...where's all their past 'major' series?  Where's a new Chrono title?  Where's the Mana series?  Where's Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade, Parasite Eve, etc?  It really seems like this generation, the only thing SquareEnix cares about is their 'three pillars', which consist of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts.

Now I'm not railing against them for this.  I mean, the PSX and PS2 Mana games didn't really sell all that well.  And the Front Mission titles never sold all that well ever.  But when you go back and look at some of their now seemingly 'defunct' series like Mana or Chrono, you begin to see that it may not have been simply because of a lack of sales...but moreso because of a lack of developer focus.  Or another way of putting it is...more emphasis and money put on one of the other 'main' series (mostly Final Fantasy).  Most people know how Chrono Cross was heavily delayed and released incomplete, rumored due to the development of Final Fantasy VIII and Xenogears near the same time.  Well perhaps many of the same practices have cut down the games of this gen (or even just shut down their projects completely to make way for another 'Final Fantasy' game).

I can still remember that famous interview with the head creative producer of 'The World Ends With You' stating they wouldn't be able to make another game like that ever again.  I wonder why?  Too different from the current SquareEnix policy...or are they being 're-assigned' to make a Final Fantasy sequel/remake?



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:

Where's a new Chrono title?  Where's the Mana series?  Where's Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade, Parasite Eve, etc?  It really seems like this generation, the only thing SquareEnix cares about is their 'three pillars', which consist of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts.

Chrono series has been effectively dead for ten years. This generation is no different than the last. As far as I know, Chrono Cross finished the storyline.

Mana series is on the DS in the form of Children of Mana and Heroes of Mana.

Brave Fencer Musashi just isn't here. It just never garnered much attention and the last one stunk like month old trash.

Bushido Blade is another series that is 10 years dead. I'd love to see it myself, but I'm not holding my breath.

Parasite Eve is getting a sequel on the PSP called The 3rd Birthday.

It's not as if Square isn't at least attempting to branch out. They have created a few new IPs, most of which have not stuck. They've put out some games that aren't RPGs. This really is no different than any other publisher. Some series will die out and get left behind, and new series will attempt to take their place. A few series will last forever.

If we want to relegate this to consoles, then yes Square is obviously not doing a whole lot. That is their choice though. Go look towards the PSP and DS and you will see a much hungrier Square willing to take chances; The World Ends With You, Sigma Harmonics, Blood of Bahamut, The Legend of Kage 2, Space Invaders Extreme, Dissidia(I know it's FF, but still...), Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, Egg Monster Hero, etc.



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@Onyx: I guess SE, much like Jrpgs, has moved on to handhelds. Which is a little sad cuz it's a genre I like to play on a console. At home. With silence and calm arround me. Not on a bus stop with people talking and cars making noises.
Stupid handheld fever taking over Japan.



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Johann said:
@Onyx: I guess SE, much like Jrpgs, has moved on to handhelds. Which is a little sad cuz it's a genre I like to play on a console. At home. With silence and calm arround me. Not on a bus stop with people talking and cars making noises.
Stupid handheld fever taking over Japan.

It is what it is. I personally love handhelds. I get to play the DS when I take my daughter to the playground, and when I'm taking the train and even when I'm at home and others are hogging the TV. If people don't like handhelds, that's ok. However, I'm just so tired of people saying Square isn't doing this or doing that when it's all right there on the DS and they just don't want to make the switch. Square is going where the action is. Everyone can either jump onboard or not. Just don't say they're not trying like they used to, because they are.



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Onyxmeth said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

Where's a new Chrono title?  Where's the Mana series?  Where's Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade, Parasite Eve, etc?  It really seems like this generation, the only thing SquareEnix cares about is their 'three pillars', which consist of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts.

Chrono series has been effectively dead for ten years. This generation is no different than the last. As far as I know, Chrono Cross finished the storyline.

Mana series is on the DS in the form of Children of Mana and Heroes of Mana.

Brave Fencer Musashi just isn't here. It just never garnered much attention and the last one stunk like month old trash.

Bushido Blade is another series that is 10 years dead. I'd love to see it myself, but I'm not holding my breath.

Parasite Eve is getting a sequel on the PSP called The 3rd Birthday.

It's not as if Square isn't at least attempting to branch out. They have created a few new IPs, most of which have not stuck. They've put out some games that aren't RPGs. This really is no different than any other publisher. Some series will die out and get left behind, and new series will attempt to take their place. A few series will last forever.

If we want to relegate this to consoles, then yes Square is obviously not doing a whole lot. That is their choice though. Go look towards the PSP and DS and you will see a much hungrier Square willing to take chances; The World Ends With You, Sigma Harmonics, Blood of Bahamut, The Legend of Kage 2, Space Invaders Extreme, Dissidia(I know it's FF, but still...), Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, Egg Monster Hero, etc.

As I said, many of their past series had done well or even did well recently (heck, the enhanced port of Chrono Trigger on DS sold over 800,000 units).  But using the port of Chrono Trigger on DS as an example, SquareEnix has stated time and again, they aren't interested in making sequels to many of their past series.  They even stated that they would consider making a new Chrono game if the DS port sold well and then considered 800,000 units sold to have been a 'dissapointment' (wtf?).  Source: http://www.n4g.com/nintendods/News-341425.aspx

In short, it seems more like SE is just making the games they want to make, and not the games that the fans want or that would be best for the market at that time.  It just seems more like all Square wants to do is make games that can sell over a million units at a time and with the most expensive graphics possible.

Johann said:
@Onyx: I guess SE, much like Jrpgs, has moved on to handhelds. Which is a little sad cuz it's a genre I like to play on a console. At home. With silence and calm arround me. Not on a bus stop with people talking and cars making noises.
Stupid handheld fever taking over Japan.

Handhelds were #1 in Japan ever since the creation of the Game Boy.  Its not a recent thing.  The only thing recent is companies putting their major franchises on the handhelds as a means of survival.  And this comes from the PS3/XBOX360 going 'HD' when everyone wasn't ready to shell out 300-600 (or more) on a console yet.  And of course, Japan totally boycotting the 360, yet most of the major JRPGs for consoles jumping over to 360 for the first 2-3 years.

In all reality, the third parties (and Sony) are the driving force making handhelds more and more popular in Japan.  They dropped the ball, and just won't pick it up.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:

As I said, many of their past series had done well or even did well recently (heck, the enhanced port of Chrono Trigger on DS sold over 800,000 units).  But using the port of Chrono Trigger on DS as an example, SquareEnix has stated time and again, they aren't interested in making sequels to many of their past series.  They even stated that they would consider making a new Chrono game if the DS port sold well and then considered 800,000 units sold to have been a 'dissapointment' (wtf?).  Source: http://www.n4g.com/nintendods/News-341425.aspx

In short, it seems more like SE is just making the games they want to make, and not the games that the fans want or that would be best for the market at that time.  It just seems more like all Square wants to do is make games that can sell over a million units at a time and with the most expensive graphics possible.

If Square is wanting to make games that can sell over a millions units, how is that not what the fans want or what's best for the market? Sales are best for the market and Square is catering to games that sell. If fans wanted their games they would buy them, so the more successful Square's games are, the more they are catering to fans needs. Just because they've dropped a few B and C level series of theirs like Bushido Blade and Brave Fencer Musashi does not mean Square is only making games from the big three franchises. I've given you plenty of examples already and I can give you plenty more.



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Onyxmeth said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
 

As I said, many of their past series had done well or even did well recently (heck, the enhanced port of Chrono Trigger on DS sold over 800,000 units).  But using the port of Chrono Trigger on DS as an example, SquareEnix has stated time and again, they aren't interested in making sequels to many of their past series.  They even stated that they would consider making a new Chrono game if the DS port sold well and then considered 800,000 units sold to have been a 'dissapointment' (wtf?).  Source: http://www.n4g.com/nintendods/News-341425.aspx

In short, it seems more like SE is just making the games they want to make, and not the games that the fans want or that would be best for the market at that time.  It just seems more like all Square wants to do is make games that can sell over a million units at a time and with the most expensive graphics possible.

If Square is wanting to make games that can sell over a millions units, how is that not what the fans want or what's best for the market? Sales are best for the market and Square is catering to games that sell. If fans wanted their games they would buy them, so the more successful Square's games are, the more they are catering to fans needs. Just because they've dropped a few B and C level series of theirs like Bushido Blade and Brave Fencer Musashi does not mean Square is only making games from the big three franchises. I've given you plenty of examples already and I can give you plenty more.

Square has also said they don't want to make another Chrono game without at least several core members of the original team.  Having new guys come in and change the vision of the series =/= what fans want.



Onyxmeth said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
 

As I said, many of their past series had done well or even did well recently (heck, the enhanced port of Chrono Trigger on DS sold over 800,000 units).  But using the port of Chrono Trigger on DS as an example, SquareEnix has stated time and again, they aren't interested in making sequels to many of their past series.  They even stated that they would consider making a new Chrono game if the DS port sold well and then considered 800,000 units sold to have been a 'dissapointment' (wtf?).  Source: http://www.n4g.com/nintendods/News-341425.aspx

In short, it seems more like SE is just making the games they want to make, and not the games that the fans want or that would be best for the market at that time.  It just seems more like all Square wants to do is make games that can sell over a million units at a time and with the most expensive graphics possible.

If Square is wanting to make games that can sell over a millions units, how is that not what the fans want or what's best for the market? Sales are best for the market and Square is catering to games that sell. If fans wanted their games they would buy them, so the more successful Square's games are, the more they are catering to fans needs. Just because they've dropped a few B and C level series of theirs like Bushido Blade and Brave Fencer Musashi does not mean Square is only making games from the big three franchises. I've given you plenty of examples already and I can give you plenty more.

...and I gave examples of other series myself.  I don't think you need to prepare for some big showdown of 'examples' when I wasn't even pointing any accusing fingers at SquareEnix for malpractice in the first place.  I was simply stating that they seemed to have put more focus on their major series.

Ataraxias said:

Square has also said they don't want to make another Chrono game without at least several core members of the original team.  Having new guys come in and change the vision of the series =/= what fans want.

Saying they want to get the core developers together is different from a major Square exec coming out and saying he's 'dissapointed' in the sales of Chrono Trigger and putting a call out to fans to buy more games or not to expect more Chrono games ever again.



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