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dtewi on 13 October 2009

Abolish marriage.

Get only civil unions.

I like that idea.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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SimonSaysFYou on 13 October 2009
Kasz216 said:
SimonSaysFYou said:
My last comment got fucked up by a friend lol. um, back to the original point, being gay myself, i would never expect a church to marry me in one of their ceremonies, especially since i was raised in a catholic church. the main thing that gay people want here is "equality" which really is given to them anyway (civil unions/domestic partnerships), they just want the title of it (marriage), which we all should just learn to accept is not going to happen because you can't force, and should never expect a church to compromise it's teaching. i accepted that a lonnnnng time ago. another huge point we want to get across is that we want to be able to jointly file a tax return through our state, local, and federal governments for deductions, benefits etc. which frankly, i agree with. if i pay my taxes, obey the laws, and am in a civil union with another dude, i expect to be able to have the same benefits as a straight couple.

While I would just argue that couples shouldn't get those rights.


I mean... why should two people get a tax break because they're married or civil unioned?

There are tons of economic benefits to being a couple if you both work... and if you don't the one who isn't working doesn't have to pay taxes.


I mean we're essentially giving people tax breaks for having LESS economic troubles.

I mean, think about it.  Say you get divorced by your husband or wife.

Now one of you had to find a new place.  You have to pay full price on the cable and other utlities you split... etc.

Life is harder.  Why do you have to pay more?

i have never thought of it like that. life IS much easier when you're married, regardless if you get tax breaks or not. maybe the only reason for the benefits is strictly to encourage marriage based on our law system of judeo-christian principles (to promote "healthy" families)...or maybe married couples simply demanded it.

either way, it's too bad because that's just the way it is lol.



Khuutra on 13 October 2009
highwaystar101 said:

TheRealMafoo is intelligent, he can actually debate, the smart right wing on the this site (Mafoo, Slimebeast, Kasz) are the only sodding reason I come here any more. I like the debates, even if I'm wrong, but I am often right too. Just because I have a liberal point of view doesn't mean I'm wrong in what I believe, liberals and conservatives balance each other out, that's how the world works. You obviously have yet to figure that out.

....

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angrypoolman on 13 October 2009
highwaystar101 said:
angrypoolman said:
highwaystar101 said:
angrypoolman said:
TheRealMafoo said:
I have proposed this exact thing many times here, so obviously, I agree. :)

I like your posts. I always agree with the stuff you say and shit. I remember once you posted a thread of some kids being taught to praise Obama, and I saw that shit and I was like wtf? Are we like the Middle East now or what?

Anyway, keep up the good work, we need more conservative posters to put users like Highway 101 in their place.

You are officially not my friend Angrypoolman... Jeez.

 

OT: Yeah I like the idea put forth in the OP.

lol..

well somebody has to correct you on your crazy liberal antics. I would.. but I usually don't know what I am talking about and end up looking like I don't know shit. TheRealMafoo is much more convincing and actually knows what he is talking about, so I am glad he is here to put all these crazy liberal ideas to rest.

TheRealMafoo is intelligent, he can actually debate, the smart right wing on the this site (Mafoo, Slimebeast, Kasz) are the only sodding reason I come here any more. I like the debates, even if I'm wrong, but I am often right too. Just because I have a liberal point of view doesn't mean I'm wrong in what I believe, liberals and conservatives balance each other out, that's how the world works. You obviously have yet to figure that out.

Yea.. I was basically joking the entire time, I think you're a cool user. Everybody here adds to the site in their own way.



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TheRealMafoo on 13 October 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

angrypoolman said:

lol..

well somebody has to correct you on your crazy liberal antics. I would.. but I usually don't know what I am talking about and end up looking like I don't know shit. TheRealMafoo is much more convincing and actually knows what he is talking about, so I am glad he is here to put all these crazy liberal ideas to rest.

TheRealMafoo is intelligent, he can actually debate, the smart right wing on the this site (Mafoo, Slimebeast, Kasz) are the only sodding reason I come here any more. I like the debates, even if I'm wrong, but I am often right too. Just because I have a liberal point of view doesn't mean I'm wrong in what I believe, liberals and conservatives balance each other out, that's how the world works. You obviously have yet to figure that out.

I'm not actually right wing.  I'm more of a practicalist.  All things even I'm for comprhensive social programs to help the poor and such. 

You just need to find ways for them to work.  Putting in bad damage systems are worse then nothing because such systems can never be removed and can rarely be modified.

I think by right wing I mean you are a libertarian, as with the others I mentioned. I know it's not right wing, but economically it can hold a lot of right wing views... Bleh

You know what I mean.

But to a true right winger, I would be considered left wing. Most people remember the things they disagree about, and not what they agree on. For example, I am called a right winger in a thread where I support changing laws to give homosexuals equal rights.

Funny how we gloss over what we agree on.



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SimonSaysFYou on 13 October 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

angrypoolman said:

lol..

well somebody has to correct you on your crazy liberal antics. I would.. but I usually don't know what I am talking about and end up looking like I don't know shit. TheRealMafoo is much more convincing and actually knows what he is talking about, so I am glad he is here to put all these crazy liberal ideas to rest.

TheRealMafoo is intelligent, he can actually debate, the smart right wing on the this site (Mafoo, Slimebeast, Kasz) are the only sodding reason I come here any more. I like the debates, even if I'm wrong, but I am often right too. Just because I have a liberal point of view doesn't mean I'm wrong in what I believe, liberals and conservatives balance each other out, that's how the world works. You obviously have yet to figure that out.

I'm not actually right wing.  I'm more of a practicalist.  All things even I'm for comprhensive social programs to help the poor and such. 

You just need to find ways for them to work.  Putting in bad damage systems are worse then nothing because such systems can never be removed and can rarely be modified.

I think by right wing I mean you are a libertarian, as with the others I mentioned. I know it's not right wing, but economically it can hold a lot of right wing views... Bleh

You know what I mean.

But to a true right winger, I would be considered left wing. Most people remember the things they disagree about, and not what they agree on. For example, I am called a right winger in a thread where I support changing laws to give homosexuals equal rights.

Funny how we gloss over what we agree on.


I'm a bit confused by what you mean there...

angrypoolman on 13 October 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

angrypoolman said:

lol..

well somebody has to correct you on your crazy liberal antics. I would.. but I usually don't know what I am talking about and end up looking like I don't know shit. TheRealMafoo is much more convincing and actually knows what he is talking about, so I am glad he is here to put all these crazy liberal ideas to rest.

TheRealMafoo is intelligent, he can actually debate, the smart right wing on the this site (Mafoo, Slimebeast, Kasz) are the only sodding reason I come here any more. I like the debates, even if I'm wrong, but I am often right too. Just because I have a liberal point of view doesn't mean I'm wrong in what I believe, liberals and conservatives balance each other out, that's how the world works. You obviously have yet to figure that out.

I'm not actually right wing.  I'm more of a practicalist.  All things even I'm for comprhensive social programs to help the poor and such. 

You just need to find ways for them to work.  Putting in bad damage systems are worse then nothing because such systems can never be removed and can rarely be modified.

I think by right wing I mean you are a libertarian, as with the others I mentioned. I know it's not right wing, but economically it can hold a lot of right wing views... Bleh

You know what I mean.

But to a true right winger, I would be considered left wing. Most people remember the things they disagree about, and not what they agree on. For example, I am called a right winger in a thread where I support changing laws to give homosexuals equal rights.

Funny how we gloss over what we agree on.

conservatives are against gay people having equal rights?



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TheRealMafoo on 13 October 2009
angrypoolman said:
TheRealMafoo said:

But to a true right winger, I would be considered left wing. Most people remember the things they disagree about, and not what they agree on. For example, I am called a right winger in a thread where I support changing laws to give homosexuals equal rights.

Funny how we gloss over what we agree on.

conservatives are against gay people having equal rights?

Most people when they talk about "right wing", they mean the extreme right. The extreme right is usually religiously motivated in most of there social views.

So yes, the religious right is against equal rights for gay people. This is not all conservatives however.

 



dunno001 on 13 October 2009

Yeah, I agree with the root post. I've always felt that religion needs to stay out of politics or be taxed. It's far too intertwined as things are now, and this marriage issue is just one way in which that is so. Admittingly, I'm not hung up on the word "marriage", as I recognize its religious roots. But I do not feel that the government has a right to discriminate against 2 legally consenting people from getting legally united, which, as things stand now, is what they are doing.



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Kasz216 on 13 October 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
angrypoolman said:
TheRealMafoo said:

But to a true right winger, I would be considered left wing. Most people remember the things they disagree about, and not what they agree on. For example, I am called a right winger in a thread where I support changing laws to give homosexuals equal rights.

Funny how we gloss over what we agree on.

conservatives are against gay people having equal rights?

Most people when they talk about "right wing", they mean the extreme right. The extreme right is usually religiously motivated in most of there social views.

So yes, the religious right is against equal rights for gay people. This is not all conservatives however.

 

I wouldn't say religiously motivated so much as "religiously justified".

It's like back when Kings would be deposed because a bunch of his enemys just so happened to believe a different Claiment was the rightful King.

People don't want gay people to get married so they take a few quotes out of context.